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Skorpz
21st March 2010, 03:15 PM
Idd want to share some details who lacn actually is..
Tell me lacn, isnt it lame to sab someone for regular hit?
TGF has been sabbed once in 1/12 taking more then 60-100turns
Spiderwoman has been attacked once in 1/12 taking more then 60-100turns


7 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN 9,401,590,354 Gold stolen 2,701 6,508 82,852,716,713 88,935,044,273

7 hours ago Spiderwoman_LaCN 1,088,439,114 Gold stolen 1,036 5,277 33,954,179,287 64,483,880,149

2 minutes ago Cotillion_LaCN Sabotage 10 4
2 minutes ago Cotillion_LaCN Sabotage 10 4
2 minutes ago Cotillion_LaCN Sabotage 10 4
43 minutes ago Spiderwoman_LaCN Sabotage 10 2
43 minutes ago Spiderwoman_LaCN Sabotage 10 2
43 minutes ago Spiderwoman_LaCN Sabotage 10 5
45 minutes ago Merv Sabotage 25 6

learn to spend your gold and play koc. koc is game where you earn gold, you can defend it but also loose to other players. grow up kids.

Baigo
21st March 2010, 03:20 PM
LaCN have always been bullies, sabbing people cause they can't bank good enough. It's something we will all have to deal with due to their tremendous power. Anyway congrats for the hits, now that they sabbed you I guess you got a nice bunch of new farms ;)

Dragon_Orb
21st March 2010, 03:35 PM
You broke our alliance Skorpz. Our deal with LoP included no in-chain hits unless that person agreed to it. You had no permission from Spiderwoman or myself to hit us (infact Spiderwoman had explicitly told you that you are NOT allowed to hit her). I will sab you daily until i personally have sabbed 10bn gold from you.

And baigo you get get off your soap box, you would've sabbed anyone who breaks an alliance deal like that too.

Skorpz
21st March 2010, 03:38 PM
i wasnt inchain or had lop member status as you got hit /fail.

Merv_LaCN`
21st March 2010, 03:44 PM
Oh, grow up Skorpz.

You know damn well that being a leader of our in chain Ally should make you not run away hitting everyone you can.
While you were in chain you also did some hits, saying you dind't know about any policy..

It has been a complete surprise to me to see a veteran that has been playing this game since age 2 or so, take personal stats over friendship and his own Alliance.

Skorpz
21st March 2010, 03:47 PM
i'm disagreeing to be with you guys inchain since you tried to screw me in clicking contest. no wounder.. why let an "lop" buy win

merv.. again you and lacn fails.
i have demoted myself and stepped down from leadership position and have left chain b4 i did hits on you. you should let go out 22h and then try to have some facts "right"

Baigo
21st March 2010, 03:51 PM
Merv and Dragon, stop being whiny *****, getting hit is part of the game. You did not have any actual agreement with Skorpz. The agreement was valid WHILE he was in LoP. Once he quit LoP he has the right to do whatever he pleases while he does not break any battlefield policy. No doubt your actions are unprovoked; if Skorpz was in another clan when he made the hit you'd probably have some serious diplomatic problems ;) The only thing you've achieved here is telling Skorpz his path is free to farm you, smart move LaCN.

P.S. Thanks for the neg rep, I collect it. Guess it's the only way you can attempt to make me shut up.

Skorpz
21st March 2010, 04:08 PM
[22:08] <~ArchSpy> [4:06pm]« Spiderwoman_LaCN » and do what ever I can to help your guys get skorpz's officers back into LOP under wulfric or another
[22:08] <~ArchSpy> [4:07pm]« Spiderwoman_LaCN » take away skorpz's officer and he will lose almost half his strike

yey lacn you pwn! those officers are mine, except mojo. low try tho spidey ^^

Lopina
21st March 2010, 04:10 PM
P.S. Thanks for the neg rep, I collect it. Guess it's the only way you can attempt to make me shut up.

Oh, I'm sorry, that was me.
Didn't know vB 4 doesn't add the name by default.

Will remember that for the next time you post bullshit.

Baigo
21st March 2010, 04:18 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, that was me.
Didn't know vB 4 doesn't add the name by default.

Will remember that for the next time you post bullshit.

I don't post bullshit, I just post the truth. Sometimes it's too hard to accept you ain't on the right path isn't it ;)

For your n00bishness, no version of vbulletin added the name on rep by default.

P.S. Welcome Skorpz to SR

Sterling
21st March 2010, 04:34 PM
Top LaCN accounts running double standards again - this is nothing new. :) Lose a little gold and they get very cut about it. Good and fair hits Skorpz.

@ LaCN - Quit crying and spend your gold or outgrow him again. Most of us have to deal with gold hits and getting farmed the entire age... deal with it.

Skorpz
21st March 2010, 09:43 PM
14 minutes ago VampGirl attack 24,782,454 Gold stolen 100 267 638,699,625 457,006,802
22 minutes ago Uther_LaCN attack Attack defended 250 7 14,425,820 521,962,290
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 0 29 216,904,556 470,500,611
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 39 179,511,926 523,050,303
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 2 72 211,622,262 524,440,008
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 47 204,342,675 498,320,053
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 67 224,075,500 473,906,095
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 2 74 186,197,689 483,664,382
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 57 230,095,728 466,737,640
58 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 48 219,566,198 476,364,146
59 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 47 204,976,218 505,053,614
59 minutes ago s-snake raid Attack defended 1 49 205,732,642 497,876,598
2 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 1,618,414 Gold stolen 261 66 1,616,943,574 477,105,245
2 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 2,612,665 Gold stolen 447 146 1,979,324,397 452,555,826
2 hours ago nhuk82 raid 624,931 Gold stolen 601 80 1,046,722,208 455,046,784
2 hours ago nhuk82 raid 778,865 Gold stolen 626 80 1,062,503,322 480,498,503
2 hours ago nhuk82 attack 10,509,844 Gold stolen 766 108 978,430,594 404,319,254
2 hours ago nhuk82 raid 1,713,922 Gold stolen 1,096 151 922,740,461 398,327,694
2 hours ago nhuk82 raid 2,313,006 Gold stolen 899 110 963,270,976 467,435,192
2 hours ago nhuk82 raid 2,258,781 Gold stolen 1,201 168 1,032,871,660 443,973,961
2 hours ago nhuk82 raid 2,348,521 Gold stolen 593 84 1,150,476,557 487,388,311
2 hours ago Lightening attack Attack defended 90 34 172,081,227 498,056,097
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 12 18 126,433,607 473,429,202
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 24 46 145,465,854 439,210,199
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 37 60 131,610,225 464,846,106
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 12 17 120,153,550 492,428,233
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 37 60 132,462,541 468,008,244
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 12 18 128,154,638 493,952,514
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 32 46 111,844,319 450,310,408
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 32 56 135,580,190 451,441,1342 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 37 64 136,197,158 461,251,610
2 hours ago RatCatcher_LaCN raid Attack defended 37 65 116,964,047 392,971,832
3 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 1,916,701 Gold stolen 212 73 2,019,238,460 482,992,475
3 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 1,803,363 Gold stolen 414 147 2,125,315,049 493,206,770
3 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 2,555,709 Gold stolen 393 133 1,873,914,813 457,688,255
3 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 2,121,300 Gold stolen 692 211 1,828,969,851 503,752,464
3 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 2,786,437 Gold stolen 487 214 2,377,275,672 459,880,370
3 hours ago daisychaindarling raid 3,571,578 Gold stolen 220 92 2,034,976,326 415,665,217
3 hours ago nhuk82 attack 9,681,224 Gold stolen 1,025 170 1,074,203,927 435,719,119
3 hours ago nhuk82 raid 1,981,996 Gold stolen 1,085 172 1,102,898,915 472,640,2343 hours ago nhuk82 raid 1,748,896 Gold stolen 1,134 158 1,076,218,467 529,529,775
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 16 24 81,600,513 514,525,735
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 24 35 79,057,663 523,402,060
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 10 17 80,225,144 434,114,243
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 10 14 78,720,934 526,893,148
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 10 13 74,231,658 509,353,993
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 15 20 77,061,618 529,289,336
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 15 21 76,784,873 511,981,698
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 13 26 89,014,158 420,547,842
4 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 22 32 84,801,405 541,771,6104 hours ago letmeride raid Attack defended 12 16 77,066,974 533,886,012


24 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
24 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 5
24 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 4
24 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
24 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 3
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 5
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 3
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 5
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 2
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
25 minutes ago Uther_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
s-snake Sabotage 10 1
1 hour ago s-snake Sabotage 10 1
1 hour ago rock_of_LaCN Sabotage 10 2
1 hour ago rock_of_LaCN Sabotage 10 1
1 hour ago rock_of_LaCN Sabotage 10 2
1 hour ago rock_of_LaCN Sabotage 10 5
2 hours ago Eric_Cartman Sabotage 10 1
2 hours ago Eric_Cartman Sabotage 10 2
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0
2 hours ago niall Sabotage 1 0


What a response to 2 normal hits. Just a note to other players, alliances and chains.
Lacn has decent slaying accounts intheir chain. Maybe threat them at same say they threat others`?
go play tetris dragon_orb xD

Skorpz
22nd March 2010, 04:46 AM
Spiderwoman_LaCN None 10 hours ago



Be advised that your commander has now left LOP to go to Sweet Revenge. I urge you to rejoin LOP and go under Wulfric or another person in LOP that you like.

Name: Skorpz_LoP
Commander: SweetRevenge
Alliances: Sweet Revenge (Primary)

#uLow

Dragon_Orb
22nd March 2010, 05:14 AM
#uLow
[19:53:11] <Malsvir> one single sab more or mass
[19:53:11] <Dragon_Orb> I am away: "prepping dinner, cooking dinner, being sociable with mummy =P: WANTED: Meaningful overnight relationship" Left at «17:45» GMT +10 (2hrs 7mins).
[19:53:20] <Malsvir> and i will get lopina banned
[19:53:28] <Malsvir> and will make sure you loose this age.
[19:53:41] <Malsvir> will click my ass for SR and sell to him.
[19:54:03] <Guest16733> and I can get lopina banned, trust me
(this is Skorpz, using someone else's name)

[20:13] <slashR> [Skorpz] ey i think tgf ignored me on mir
[20:13] <Dragon_Orb> I am away: "prepping dinner, cooking dinner, being sociable with mummy =P: My wang is so big it's fallen victim to a military coup. It's now known as the Democratic Republic of My Wang" Left at «17:45» GMT +10 (2hrs 27mins).
[20:13] <slashR> [Skorpz] c
[20:13] <slashR> [Skorpz] paste this
[20:13] <slashR> [Skorpz] if they do single sab more on me or mass, i will get lopina banned.
[20:13] <slashR> [Skorpz] then we'll see if its worth more to sab 5bills more of me or loose such acc.
[20:13] <slashR> ---
[20:13] <slashR> just passing the word..

You've resorted to threatening to get people banned and you're using someone elses name to do it (as Malsvir is actually Wulfric's officer), i quote again:

#uLow

Also decided to respond to this, after reading through some logs:

...You did not have any actual agreement with Skorpz. The agreement was valid WHILE he was in LoP. Once he quit LoP he has the right to do whatever he pleases while he does not break any battlefield policy. No doubt your actions are unprovoked; if Skorpz was in another clan when he made the hit you'd probably have some serious diplomatic problems ;)...

...i have demoted myself and stepped down from leadership position and have left chain b4 i did hits on you. you should let go out 22h and then try to have some facts "right"
[02:10] <Skorpz> anyways guy
[02:10] <Skorpz> guys
[02:10] <Skorpz> was fun with you
[02:10] <Skorpz> im leaving lop
[02:10] <Skorpz> have fun and enjoy
[02:11] <Vacuum-> No you're not
[02:11] <Skorpz> too late
[02:11] <Skorpz> i cant play my style while im inchain or inlop
[02:11] <Skorpz> i just hit spider and tgf
[02:11] <Skorpz> im lonewolf
[02:12] * ChanServ sets mode: -qo Skorpz Skorpz

You didn't demote yourself until AFTER the hits.

I also find it interesting that in all this you also never mention the fact that you also hit HellBoy_LoP, twice even as you got a crap % the first time.

MarriedToTheMob
22nd March 2010, 06:01 AM
[19:53:11]
You didn't demote yourself until AFTER the hits.


I did the recon for the TGF hit, and skorpz was not in the LaCN chain at the time. Also, there are a number of other ways you can demote yourself in an alliance, including through KoC alliance affiliation and through forum posts. It just seems polite to announce it in clan chat as well before you -qo out.

Dragon_Orb
22nd March 2010, 06:02 AM
I did the recon for the TGF hit, and skorpz was not in the LaCN chain at the time. There are a number of other ways you can demote yourself in an alliance, including through KoC alliance affiliation and through forum posts.
I also know he wasn't demoted in the alliance as Wulfric told me that he did that later. So at the time, whether he was inchain or not, he was a leader of LoP as he was neither demoted on the forum or on IRC. Thus he was still bound by the LaCN/LoP alliance and the BF policy of that alliance. He did not resign his leadership until after the hits.

Lopina
22nd March 2010, 06:31 AM
[19:53:20] <Malsvir> and i will get lopina banned
[19:54:03] <Guest16733> and I can get lopina banned, trust me

Ah, you mean for me having Nino's AutoClicker?
The one you kindly distributed to SW?

Yeah, I have it on my HDD somewhere.

Ah, here it is: D:\Random_Stuff\Old\MIsc\
Didn't know that was a crime.

However, if you think I used it, go see Zup, Remco-, Gem- or even Rocco.

You will find out that almost all (99.9999%) clicks were done on YAR, with the exception of some done on CF and LaCN clicker.

MarriedToTheMob
22nd March 2010, 06:51 AM
Our deal with LoP included no in-chain hits unless that person agreed to it.

Like I said, he was out of chain.

So even though you've insidiously added to the LaCN/LOP agreement Section 3, Sub-clause B, Paragraph 5 - "Alliance leaders that leave chain are bound by the LaCN/LoP alliance and the BF policy of that alliance" - it still seems that he did not break your agreement.

Dragon_Orb
22nd March 2010, 07:13 AM
Like I said, he was out of chain.

So even though you've insidiously added to the LaCN/LOP agreement Section 3, Sub-clause B, Paragraph 5 - "Alliance leaders that leave chain are bound by the LaCN/LoP alliance and the BF policy of that alliance" - it still seems that he did not break your agreement.
Well since you've decided to be so picky, inchain is the wrong word for me to use (and i keep using it instead of saying no inter-alliance hits when i shouldn't). There was to be no inter-alliance attacks, no hits between LaCN and LoP, except by prior arrangement (and skorpz had no arrangement, infact he'd been explicitly told not to hit Spiderwoman but he also had no permission to hit anyone else that he hit either).

The man even turned on the headaccount of LoP and he did it for what, 4bn gold from HellBoy and 14bn all up? He has no loyalty and he'll never again receive help from LaCN. I hope LoP take the same stance especially as he hit HB twice (due to a bad % first time) so he also farmed that account. LoP and SR both only allow 1 hit per 12 hours, so no matter who's rules he uses there it's farming.

MarriedToTheMob
22nd March 2010, 07:45 AM
Well since you've decided to be so picky, inchain is the wrong word for me to use (and i keep using it instead of saying no inter-alliance hits when i shouldn't). There was to be no inter-alliance attacks, no hits between LaCN and LoP, except by prior arrangement (and skorpz had no arrangement, infact he'd been explicitly told not to hit Spiderwoman but he also had no permission to hit anyone else that he hit either).

The man even turned on the headaccount of LoP and he did it for what, 4bn gold from HellBoy and 14bn all up? He has no loyalty and he'll never again receive help from LaCN. I hope LoP take the same stance especially as he hit HB twice (due to a bad % first time) so he also farmed that account. LoP and SR both only allow 1 hit per 12 hours, so no matter who's rules he uses there it's farming.


I was only being picky because it seems legitimately important here. If your original agreement did not explicitly state "inter-alliance" instead of "in-chain," it seems your sabs are unprovoked. I have no idea what was in the original agreement.

In any case, perhaps skorpz does deserve to be sabbed, but sabbing until you get 10b in value seems a bit unreasonable. Just as much blame should fall on whoever is running the TGF account, I think. He shouldn't let his gold sit there all day long, no matter how high his DA is.

As far as the alleged farming is concerned, I know of no other alliance that would approve for more than 24 or 48 hours for a mere two hits. In fact, most alliances would issue a warning first or just ask for some morale to cover lost soldiers.

HellBoy
22nd March 2010, 09:35 AM
The man even turned on the headaccount of LoP and he did it for what, 4bn gold from HellBoy and 14bn all up? He has no loyalty and he'll never again receive help from LaCN. I hope LoP take the same stance especially as he hit HB twice (due to a bad % first time) so he also farmed that account. LoP and SR both only allow 1 hit per 12 hours, so no matter who's rules he uses there it's farming.

The hits on me were a morale sell off.. He didn't turn his back on me, or LoP..

And actually, he left LoP just to be able to hit freely inchain, so I really don't see why you guys are sabbing him? Are you mad because you got hit? Please, someone explain what Skorpz did wrong?

Anyone is free to leave any alliance he wants, whenever he wants, and once he's left, he is no longer obliged to abide by their interchain rules..

HB

Merv_LaCN`
22nd March 2010, 10:14 AM
Wow.. this is getting crazier by the day..

One LoP leader sells Morale to their allies #1 competitor
Another sells so his fellow LoP leader gains enough SA to hit their Allies head account..

All this because uhh.. you gained more growth from us than we from u ?
I'm pretty lost here.
Same for the rest of the LoP leaders that didn't know what was going on. (I hope)


So while all this is has been going on, you wonder why we sab Skorpz ?
It's not a simple BF-issue here..

Skorpz has betrayed our Family too often now, and since he's no longer under our respected Ally, we can finally ban him from our Family and act upon him accordingly.
The 10bil sabbing was just a goal to reach.

SleepingDragon
22nd March 2010, 10:20 AM
So...Skorpz left his LOP brothers behind so he could score a few hits on LaCN? Then LaCN, thinking he knew about the no-hit policy, sabbed him. Now Skorpz's abandoned brothers are sticking by him while LaCN is cool with sabbing over a few gold hits that aren't even farming?

Wow.

Lopina
22nd March 2010, 10:34 AM
Then LaCN, thinking he knew about the no-hit policy, sabbed him.

Actually, we weren't thinking he knew, we knew he knew about no inchain because he already has made hits on people who didn't allow inchain hits while they had NO inchain tags and was warned about it.

ThomasA
22nd March 2010, 11:20 AM
I think this is going off topic.

Wulfric
22nd March 2010, 11:38 AM
I request moderator for the post to be closed. It is not really solving any purpose, apart from accusations at each other or discussions which can be held on personal level without any drama in public.

ThomasA
22nd March 2010, 11:51 AM
I request moderator for the post to be closed. It is not really solving any purpose, apart from accusations at each other or discussions which can be held on personal level without any drama in public.

The original poster can request for it to be closed or it will be closed if there are sufficient grounds.

atm The main parties seam to want to post on topic in it.

jog1
22nd March 2010, 12:03 PM
Seems to be the first major screw up for LaCN this age. Will they lose their loyal allies LoP because of it?

If I was LoP I'd have left already, seeing what they are doing to a friend over a hit, but that's just me.

No inchain hits is bs too.

Message to all LaCN accounts that want to be able to hit everyone in KoC. In SR we can hit our own members and LaCN :D

Skorpz
22nd March 2010, 01:29 PM
I request moderator for the post to be closed. It is not really solving any purpose, apart from accusations at each other or discussions which can be held on personal level without any drama in public.

Dont try to shut me up! I like you Wulfric but this case isnt solved and i want to lighten some more up. Merv thanks for starting it up.. yes i kinda betrayed you on morale deal.. but why dont you post on gua why?
Well short story.. lacn was hosting inchain clicking competition and in same time i did morale deal with lacn. as clicking competition was about to get closed i was active 2h b4 it ended and clicked my ass to top for win. i was leading 5k on Red and MerDeNoms like 20minz b4 contest ended.
As contest was closed and i woke up, results were ..

1) Red
2)MerDeNoms
3)Skorpz

all places with like 100-200clicks difference. How can someone click 5k+ in 20minz?
I had proofs and talked to serval people for hours and noone cared. Thats real truth why i broke deal agreement.

Wulfric
22nd March 2010, 01:43 PM
I was more like trying to shut up the unnecessary comments on/off the topic.

MarriedToTheMob
22nd March 2010, 02:01 PM
So...Skorpz left his LOP brothers behind so he could score a few hits on LaCN? .


There are only a handful of accounts in the game skorpz can attack and still cover his repair costs. The fact that LaCN was so adamant about applying this policy to him seems particularly unreasonable. I'm sure he meant nothing personal against LoP when he left.



Until this age, I've been a huge proponent of disallowing in-chain hits, and I still think there are some good reasons to do so.

However, this seems to be a particularly problematic policy for LaCN to enforce these days simply because LaCN is so large and the number of KoC players has been steadily dwindling for many ages. Even while most alliances have relaxed their BF policies, I imagine a self-imposed rule which eliminates 25% (or more?) of their potential targets makes it considerably harder to find a good hit. At the very least, they've forfeited some nice attacks and let other alliances have gold from their chain.


But I would infer this isn't really about a few in-chain/inter-alliance hits. LaCN wants to vilify skorpz to protect their main account. But hey, that's why it's called Kings of Chaos.

Lopina
22nd March 2010, 02:26 PM
Organized, I'll try to explain

I, personally, don't have anything against in chain attacks. And I assume many others share the same view.

But, sometimes, people get too easygoing and start low hitting the player who allows it. Since there is no sabbing of alliance members allowed, you can't properly teach a low hitter a lesson. Now, LaCN is a big alliance. Consider the number of people that get low hit by in chain people. You'll see that's a lot of fuss to be taken care for.

Therefore, a default no in chain policy is here.

Dragon_Orb
22nd March 2010, 03:14 PM
...I had proofs and talked to serval people for hours and noone cared. Thats real truth why i broke deal agreement.
[21:38] <Dragon_Orb> show me your proof of cheating
[21:39] <Skorpz> sick of talking
[21:39] <Skorpz> eric proved me some stuff himself
[21:39] <Skorpz> atleast i know for me
[21:40] <Dragon_Orb> well that's handy. You say he cheated but won't provide proof...

I asked to see your proof so i could look into it and you wouldn't give it to me any time i asked to see it.

Lopina
22nd March 2010, 03:37 PM
BTW, seems like KaB has been feeding Skorpz with some serious gold, around 10B or so

Skorpz
22nd March 2010, 03:48 PM
oh and another proof of how lame lacn is.. they say one thing.. do something else. didnt you say you will sab 10bill?
weird bcos i lost about 11bills due to sabs, farming and masses.


<DeaTHReQueST> But the massing and is part of the contract, and not totalled in the sab outcome
<DeaTHReQueST> The farming is however part of the contract, but also not totalled for the sab outcome
<DeaTHReQueST> Your contract will be closed once the sabing reaches 10b in total.
<DeaTHReQueST> Wich is 2 more people at tops i recon
<Skorpz> thanks for logs
<DeaTHReQueST> Any contract is allowing it.. Just that people never do it is beyond me.
<Skorpz> ok
<Skorpz> here comes my last word
<Skorpz> and kinda deal
<Skorpz> you said only 2people more need sab, righT?
<DeaTHReQueST> Pretty much.. Maybe 1 as your aat is way higher due to the last sell you gotten
<DeaTHReQueST> I cant calc your aat lol
<Skorpz> well
<DeaTHReQueST> As i cant spy you succesfully enough >_>
<Skorpz> from now
<Skorpz> its 2:45am for me
<Skorpz> i accept last sab
<Skorpz> but call of farming
<Skorpz> bos i will sab farmer/masser
<Skorpz> that are from lacn chain
<DeaTHReQueST> Then you will be approved longer..
<DeaTHReQueST> If not indefinately

no wounder people actually dislikes lacn and you end up in war each age.

Lopina
22nd March 2010, 08:19 PM
weird bcos i lost about 11bills due to sabs, farming and masses

The damage limit you are referring to is for sabs only.

Skorpz_LoP
15,644 weapons
9,464,750,000 gold

jog1
22nd March 2010, 08:25 PM
You havent, don't lie:
Skorpz_LoP
15,644 weapons
9,464,750,000 gold

Nice quote. If you actually read 2 more words, you'll see he said masses and farming.

People aren't stupid, stop trying to make them beleive what you want.

Lopina
22nd March 2010, 08:31 PM
/cut

Corrected, thx. It's 4:30 AM here, don't be so harsh

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 05:21 AM
Nice quote. If you actually read 2 more words, you'll see he said masses and farming.

People aren't stupid, stop trying to make them beleive what you want.

very nice said
btw since your last post lopina:

Lost weapon log
1182 Nuns 1 minutes, 55 seconds ago
2420 Lts 3 hours, 1 minutes, 1 seconds ago
610 Lts 9 hours, 42 minutes, 54 seconds ago

lets calc how much loss is that?
/fail

edit.. not counting farming/masses after contract got closed

Lopina
23rd March 2010, 05:52 AM
lets calc how much loss is that?

So you suffered 2.6B more than anticipated. Given that KaB generously gave you 10B, I think this shouldn't hurt too much. As for the lowhits, you are to deal with them at your own discretion, but I suggest getting some DA.

And just out of curiosity, why did you join SR? Why not NWO or RF or FF or even your friends at SW?

KaB
23rd March 2010, 06:11 AM
So you suffered 2.6B more than anticipated. Given that KaB generously gave you 10B, I think this shouldn't hurt too much. As for the lowhits, you are to deal with them at your own discretion, but I suggest getting some DA.

And just out of curiosity, why did you join SR? Why not NWO or RF or FF or even your friends at SW?

When did I give him 10b?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 06:13 AM
When did I give him 10b?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

neither do i. rofl.
So even if i got some gold from SR/KAB your approvement was till i suffer 10bill loss, shows again how low lacn is.

btw.. SW my friends? you dont know he fool, do dont call anyone my friends, spec. not sw

Lopina
23rd March 2010, 06:22 AM
When did I give him 10b?

You have no idea what you are talking about.


Skorpz had no DA and poor Spy, and then suddenly he had 700Mish DA and 31Bish Spy, and his SA rose by some 30B, from 142B to 172B.

That gold didn't just created itself in his armory, did it.

I can only assume you gave him the sell, KaB, however I can never be certain of it.

Skorpz, that was sarcasm, lol
This forum really needs sarcasm tags

HellBoy
23rd March 2010, 06:22 AM
Wow.. this is getting crazier by the day..

One LoP leader sells Morale to their allies #1 competitor
Another sells so his fellow LoP leader gains enough SA to hit their Allies head account..

All this because uhh.. you gained more growth from us than we from u ?
I'm pretty lost here.
Same for the rest of the LoP leaders that didn't know what was going on. (I hope)


So while all this is has been going on, you wonder why we sab Skorpz ?
It's not a simple BF-issue here..

Skorpz has betrayed our Family too often now, and since he's no longer under our respected Ally, we can finally ban him from our Family and act upon him accordingly.
The 10bil sabbing was just a goal to reach.


What are you saying Merv? That I bought morale so he can hit TGF/Spidey? That I was sponsoring his hits?.. Ahh man. I thought that was about Skorpz, but now I see it's also about me. Don't let your rage blind you. You're making some serious accusations about LoP leadership here.. I'll be discussing this with the boys.

About the growth. I have no doubt you guys have given us more than we have given you. But that is strictly this age. I grew around 1M under TGF (when Chaser1 was playing it) to help him catch up with Baigo, and that was for free. If you wanna talk about growth, at least calculate the whole growth before talking. Not to mention, our allianceship is not one based on growth. We were there to support and help each other, and have more or less a good community going on. Growth was something extra. But now I see it's not like that to you, while it obviously is to us (we did feed 500K free growth in age 12 just to help you guys, no? it shows what I'm saying is true.).

HB

masterscow
23rd March 2010, 08:31 AM
there seems to be alot of double talk on all sides

i agree...if you leave an alliance, you are not bound by that alliance's agreements with other alliances..........but it saddens me when a leader does this. it sets such a bad example to others. and considering that Skorpz was a leader at the time that the agreement was made, HE KNEW THE POLICIES and chose to go rogue and attack those that we agreed not to hit. it's even in extra large letters on our own forum header....

so all i can say is this is sad. but i've seen it before and sadly know i will see it again.

LaCN and LoP work well together in my opinion......but that is MY OPINION

chaser1
23rd March 2010, 08:53 AM
I have been busy lately but I noticed this thread.

#1. Obviously there is a disagreement, from what I can see. I guess it's time to fix it or do something about it.
#2. I like LoP, growth and farming really don't mean that much to me when in chain unless someone is just an ass**** about it. This is personal opinion, not anyone else. So, one person bent the rules enough to take advantage of LaCN's uber richness? The way I see it, it looks like he paid for it. Hopefully, it ends here and we can all move on and learn from this.
#3. Wow Bagel! Every chance you can get to take a stab at us, eh? Got a joke for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKix0mPxBq0 ;)

Yes, HB, you did give us growth. Thank you. You also supported us every chance you could. Thank you again. LaCN has also done many things for LoP also. Please recognize that. There have also been issues between both chains and I would hope that it's recognized that both alliances did their best to resolve any of them. I think that there may be too much weighing of deeds going on to compare who did more for who. Maybe it's time for a sit down and figure this out.

Oh yeah, I'm back for the most part. Eyes are about as good as they are going to get. Had a few (personal) emergencies and a unfortunate incident with chemical burns on my eyes. Was nearly blind. ;) I bet that would have made a few people in KoC happy. :thumbsup:

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 09:13 AM
there seems to be alot of double talk on all sides

i agree...if you leave an alliance, you are not bound by that alliance's agreements with other alliances..........but it saddens me when a leader does this. it sets such a bad example to others. and considering that Skorpz was a leader at the time that the agreement was made, HE KNEW THE POLICIES and chose to go rogue and attack those that we agreed not to hit. it's even in extra large letters on our own forum header....

so all i can say is this is sad. but i've seen it before and sadly know i will see it again.

LaCN and LoP work well together in my opinion......but that is MY OPINION

wrong. i was moving from germany to croatia as allyship agreement has been made. also theres nothing in agreement bout nonchain hits. its just lacn beeing pissed that TGF didnt spend his gold for 22h and has lost it.

chaser1
23rd March 2010, 09:27 AM
wrong. i was moving from germany to croatia as allyship agreement has been made. also theres nothing in agreement bout nonchain hits. its just lacn beeing pissed that TGF didnt spend his gold for 22h and has lost it.

Umm, yes there is an agreement. That's what the "in chain allowed" and "NO in chain allowed" tags were all about.

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 09:31 AM
sure but nowhere in lop forums was an explantion nor anyone told me that if player isnt in any of those alliances, its default not allowed to hit inchain. thats why i hit merv last time. also i wasnt in chain as i hit tgf xD

chaser1
23rd March 2010, 09:36 AM
sure but nowhere in lop forums was an explantion nor anyone told me that if player isnt in any of those alliances, its default not allowed to hit inchain. thats why i hit merv last time. also i wasnt in chain as i hit tgf xD

There is an entire topic about it in your forums. It's Titled: "LaCN/LoP inchain policies" started by SlashR.

SleepingDragon
23rd March 2010, 09:40 AM
Was nearly blind. ;) I bet that would have made a few people in KoC happy. :thumbsup:

Lies! We need your witty posts to keep the donkey wheel operating correctly, those few people are derelicts. :)

Sad to admit, but it looks like any time that LOP joins a big alliance they start to feel entitled. In chain alliance is in chain alliance, but if someone leaves chain to make a hit "legit" then they obviously know that they're using a loophole. When they take advantage of it, they deserve punishment just as anyone else that does it. I've heard from a little birdy, however, that LaCN asked for compensation before sabbing. They gave the hitter a chance to give penance for his sins and he refused their offer...we all know what happens when you refuse an offer from the mafia. :badteeth:

LaCN 1
LoP 0

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 09:44 AM
Lies! We need your witty posts to keep the donkey wheel operating correctly, those few people are derelicts. :)

Sad to admit, but it looks like any time that LOP joins a big alliance they start to feel entitled. In chain alliance is in chain alliance, but if someone leaves chain to make a hit "legit" then they obviously know that they're using a loophole. When they take advantage of it, they deserve punishment just as anyone else that does it. I've heard from a little birdy, however, that LaCN asked for compensation before sabbing. They gave the hitter a chance to give penance for his sins and he refused their offer...we all know what happens when you refuse an offer from the mafia. :badteeth:

LaCN 1
LoP 0
/fail
lacn didnt talk to me after hit. nor anyone asked for compesation.

1:0 me !

jog1
23rd March 2010, 09:59 AM
imo, if you feel the no in-chain hits policy is bullshit, you can leave chain anytime and start hitting them. Sabbing someone for it is dumb, as it's a legit gold hit.

So from what I see, LaCN owes skorpz about 2-3bil? for over sabbing. + the sabs were unprovoked so they owe about 15bil total if we count masses and farming.

chaser1
23rd March 2010, 10:13 AM
imo, if you feel the no in-chain hits policy is bullshit, you can leave chain anytime and start hitting them. Sabbing someone for it is dumb, as it's a legit gold hit.

So from what I see, LaCN owes skorpz about 2-3bil? for over sabbing. + the sabs were unprovoked so they owe about 15bil total if we count masses and farming.

Legit Gold hit ---> Yes
Very inconsiderate ---> Also yes

Just to clarify, Jog1, if Kab had 459,987,113,642 gold sitting there, and you were the ONLY one who could hit. But you couldn't hit in chain. You would leave chain to hit for the gold? It's just a hypothetical question.

FinalShowtime
23rd March 2010, 10:17 AM
He is intelligent, he would call KaB and tell him to spend it.

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 10:18 AM
hes SR and probably wouldnt do it to SR main. Im lop and didnt do it to lop main. i did it to LACN main. lop knew for long time im unhappy inchain bcos of limitaions. guess what not even 1h after i got my first morale sell i had pm from spiderwoman not to hit her..
whats the point of having big SA when i cant hit 4-5big accounts from LACN ?
not that lacn has threatend me nice. except eric/black/spid who did recons from time to time.

chaser1
23rd March 2010, 10:19 AM
So he would be courteous enough to make sure that the gold stayed safe. Just making a point here.
********************************
Skorpz, was the topic even discussed with LaCN once you had gotten the sell or are you basing the entire argument off of Spidey asking you not to hit her? From what Ive seen in the past, had it been discussed, explaining the situation with the recent boost in SA. It's usually good to keep gold of that magnitude in-chain. Now, I haven't been around so I dont know, which is why I ask.

FinalShowtime
23rd March 2010, 10:50 AM
Well as far as I am concerned getting farmed and sabbed that much for the amount he has taken...
is a bit of a childish reaction.

jog1
23rd March 2010, 11:01 AM
Of course I wouldn't hit unless someone else can and I can't get Kab to bank. But I'm SR, and Kab is SR. He's LoP and TGF is LaCN. And it's his decision to leave LoP to be able to play his account correctly, not mine.

Point is, it was a legit hit and he got over sabbed for it.

Of course if LaCN didn't have such a big chain, they would get owned for it.

Wulfric
23rd March 2010, 11:16 AM
First of all I don't really think anyone apart from LoP or LaCN has anything to with this topic so I am ignoring all other comments.
The approval was not for hits. TGF and Spiderwoman held gold because they were under impression that LoP will respect terms of agreement and will NOT hit. If Skorpz wanted to hit them, he should have left chain making everyone aware of the fact that he is going out and then he was free to hit.

What he did was an act of betrayal towards allies and hence I consider the approval to be fair.

LordCounter
23rd March 2010, 12:21 PM
First of all I don't really think anyone apart from LoP or LaCN has anything to with this topic so I am ignoring all other comments.

What he did was an act of betrayal towards allies and hence I consider the approval to be fair.

good thing GUA isnt the public koc forum then.
skorpz, good job. now sab them back. hi 5

Bryan
23rd March 2010, 12:37 PM
Legit Gold hit ---> Yes
Very inconsiderate ---> Also yes

Agreeing with Chaser

I don't think this needs to be talked about more. LaCN got some pay back, I think they should leave skorpz alone now. He left chain, he has nothing to do with you now, its only fair to just take your losses (which in the end is going to be nothing) and move on

Wulfric
23rd March 2010, 12:59 PM
Approval was closed this morning btw.

Skorpz
23rd March 2010, 01:20 PM
yeah and after approval got closed i got sabbed more by lacn and they sabbed around 5-6bill more + masses on me.
spidey told to kab that their "suitcase" is bugged and thats why im appearing as target, still.
Deathrequest has been talking bout some copensation for that "more sabed" loss so i only got to sit and wait. lets say how honourable lacn can be.
after all i lost their 10bill approved, 5-6bill extra and 4-5bills from farming/massing which they "dont count in approvement" =)

ZAR
23rd March 2010, 02:13 PM
While I don´t care about other chains politics leaving chain + hitting at the same time while having a deal is a justified approval in my book - especially a former leader doing it.

SleepingDragon
23rd March 2010, 07:24 PM
If LaCN members didn't bank gold because they were under the assumption no one would hit them, they should be allowed to sleep and enjoy RL a bit without worrying about an LoP leader farming them for low gold. I'm glad LoP took a stand against Skorpz, no matter his experience and efforts for the clan, and siding with the established alliance policy instead of a greedy clan member that refused to solve this with voluntary compensation.

Take the high road, fellas!

Lord_Ezek
23rd March 2010, 07:53 PM
He is intelligent, he would call KaB and tell him to spend it.

So you're saying Skorpz is not intelligent for not calling Spidey and orbie to spend their gold? And worse, he left chain to took it.

I think it would be acceptable if Skorpz was just an ordinary member of LoP who left just to be able to hit their allies. But no, Skorpz is a known LoP leader for a long time.


Well as far as I am concerned getting farmed and sabbed that much for the amount he has taken... is a bit of a childish reaction.

Well as far as I am concerned provoking by hitting your allies, getting massed for it and whining about it on GUA
... is a bit of a childish reaction.

As for you Skorpz, i hope it ends here..

Youve provoked/hit an ally, you've been informed/warned about the no Hit Policy before.

You should've left in a respectable way since you are a leader of LoP.

Time for you to move forward, im sure Kab and other SR fat accounts can help you get the Strike you needed to hit LaCN big accounts.

jog1
23rd March 2010, 08:59 PM
respectable or not, these were legit hits.

Lord_Ezek
23rd March 2010, 10:09 PM
respectable or not, these were legit hits.

no its not.

A leader of a clan can't just ditch his commander and hit their allies lol

chaser1
23rd March 2010, 10:10 PM
As said before, you are right jog1. They are legit hits. But that isn't the issue, is it? Even though you seem to focus on that quite a bit. It's the only legit argument you have and we aren't even arguing against it. Yes, they are legit hits, but very underhanded way of getting those legit hits. A sort of breach of trust.

Ezek, a leader just did. Legit, but not acceptable.

Truewind
23rd March 2010, 11:31 PM
The facts seem to be like this:

1) There was an agreement by LoP to leave LaCN big accounts alone, since they're in chain.

2) Skorpz hits were legal. So no one is contending they are low hits.

3) Skorpz was in Lop, but he never agreed to said agreements. He never signed a sheet of paper. He never swore on a holy book. He never entered into a legally binding contract.

4) While Skorpz was in LoP, he voluntarily agreed to said agreements, on account of being in LoP. This was an unofficial, unwritten agreement he held while in chain.

No one forced him to it.

5) Skorpz left the LoP chain before he did the hits, as per organized crime's admission and help reconning the hits.

~~~~~~~~~~

Those are the facts.
So what happened?

~~~~~~~~~

1) Skorpz left Lop, and since he never agreed, and never signed a contract not to attack TGF or Spidey, He now had the right to.

Formerly, he was voluntarily following LoP's rules, but now he had left the LoP chain. He did not have to follow any rules now.

2) TGF and Spidey, felt the hit was uncalled for, as they thought they were safe.


Hit the brakes....

~~~~~~~~~

So Tgf, and Spidey feel the hits were unfair because they "Thought" they were safe?

Why did they think they were safe?

They contend:

"We must be given fair warning about him leaving the chain, so we can bank our gold properly"


Or as wulfric put it:



The approval was not for hits. TGF and Spiderwoman held gold because they were under impression that LoP will respect terms of agreement and will NOT hit. If Skorpz wanted to hit them, he should have left chain making everyone aware of the fact that he is going out and then he was free to hit.



Where is that written? Where was that agreed to? Where in any contract, anywhere, is that said?

This my friends, is what we call an unwritten rule. It exists only in the minds of TGF and Spidey, and since we are not psychic, there is no way we can retrieve said rules.

Where is it written, anywhere in any agreement Skorpz had to warn LaCn that he left chain and was going to hit them?

Where? When did he agree to that? When did LoP agree to that? When did SR agree to that? When did anyone agree to that?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The facts are the facts people.

Skorpz left chain, and attacked TGF and Spidey fairly. Now it seems they're making up fairly tale rules to try and get an excuse for sabbing him.

He had to warn them about the attacks? Again, why and where does any contract say that? It doesn't.

LaCN was dishonerable, unloyal, and unjust in this incident.

~~Truewind

Lord_Ezek
24th March 2010, 12:25 AM
lol

where going in circles

DrunKnGoblin
24th March 2010, 03:14 AM
wrong. i was moving from germany to croatia as allyship agreement has been made. also theres nothing in agreement bout nonchain hits. its just lacn beeing pissed that TGF didnt spend his gold for 22h and has lost it.

Spend Your Gold or it gets taken, I thought thats what this game was primarily about?

LaCN it may be time to Sack Up a little and stop being Jewish with the Gold ;)

Your Good Friend DrunKnGoblin

SleepingDragon
24th March 2010, 05:52 AM
Truewind did a good job of summarizing the story, BUT he left out the part where LaCN offered Skorpz a chance to compensate his transgressions against the unwritten, unofficial rule. LaCN knows they wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they didn't give Skorpz a chance to fix this, LoP would have left them by now since it's never cool to sab in-chain over a decent gold steal (it's just TBG, not like an intercepted sell or unprovoked sabs). Alas, LoP agreed with LaCN's offer of forgiveness to Skorpz, but it was refused and now we see the results.

Spiderman and TGF deserved at least a phone call before they were hit, that's the gentlemanly thing to do!

DrunKnGoblin
24th March 2010, 05:57 AM
/fail
lacn didnt talk to me after hit. nor anyone asked for compesation.

1:0 me !

well he did claim that wasnt the case.



Spiderman and TGF deserved at least a phone call before they were hit, that's the gentlemanly thing to do!

And i Hope that is just lolz, Coz i think you should go play a different game if that is the case, You hit if its profitible for you, dunno what has happened to the game if this has stopped being the case.

Sterling
24th March 2010, 07:58 AM
So, list of events?

Skorpz leaves LoP and chain. :sneakout:
Skorpz hits TGF & Spiderwoman for gold. :icon_psyc
TGF & Spiderwoman are pissed off that they lost gold. :violin:
Spiderwoman starts trying to get Skorpz' officers to leave him. :shame:
LaCN approves Skorpz for ...seemingly legit gold hits? :confused:

Knowledgeable or not of the "no in-chain hits agreement" (wow you in-chain guys really get fucked by the way: no inchain hits AND dealing with idiots like Red; Kudos to the smaller LoP and LaCN members for putting up with that... that's patience), former leader or newly joined member, what does it matter since he left the chain? Maybe you think it's "a low thing to do" or a "cheap shot", cry more, this is KoC... your ethics in game are your own imagination.

Since when do approvals allow you to message someones officers, by the way? I'll have to keep that in mind for next time an LaCN gets approved. Perhaps SR should even approve Spider, then Skorpz can farm her to recoup his unfair losses.

vegito
24th March 2010, 09:27 AM
Well to all n00bs who are posting in here , and arent LaCN/LoP , And to all who are just trying to provoke the things purposely..

i would like to tell you guys, that Mr. Skorpz hit TGF and Spidey BEFORE leaving chain.

sorry to say.. Skorpz u lost my respect which was just started building..

This thread is going nowhere.. ffs..

ThomasA
24th March 2010, 09:45 AM
I assuming Skorpz wanted it debated by the KoC community, what are classified as respectable hits? what is classified as inchain? how much is reasonable to get sabbed? should alliance leaders be treated differently from their members? what happens when alliance leaders leave chain? etc otherwise he wouldn't have posted on GUA.

While both sides of the argument are being debated in a reasonable manner, I see no reason for it not to continue. Skorpz, however is welcome to request for the thread to be closed.

I will however ask that you leave out the insults.

Skorpz
24th March 2010, 09:51 AM
as the case has ended, lacn sabbing 5bill more gold as supposed and not repaying "more sabbed loss" the case is over for me. you can close thread thomas :)