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Baigo
5th December 2009, 09:27 AM
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Welcome to Age 13. I know it hasn't started yet, but I wanted to be the first for one age :P Please follow the rules and avoid fistsofthor posting stupid comments.

I expect DL/RF & Co. to be an important alliance this age. That also goes for TFE/LGC. SR still don't know who to join under. LaCN will probably be as powerful as always :P I also think tS will surprise us this age.

Shane-
5th December 2009, 03:12 PM
Opened.


Shane

zeshan
5th December 2009, 03:16 PM
Welcome to Age 13. I know it hasn't started yet, but I wanted to be the first for one age :P Please follow the rules and avoid fistsofthor posting stupid comments.

I expect DL/RF & Co. to be an important alliance this age. That also goes for TFE/LGC. SR still don't know who to join under. LaCN will probably be as powerful as always :P I also think tS will surprise us this age.

Agree on the first sentence :p

Join under me, I give cookies!

On topic: They changed the race bonuses, I feel they are more balanced this time.
And Im ranked 15, probably the highest im gonna get :D but who cares lol

cash_money_empire11
5th December 2009, 03:40 PM
LoL only took me 13 somes ages but finally I can say I have been #1 at least some point in time!! I dont care if it is beta and the start of an age still #1

woot GO NR!!!!

Seneca
5th December 2009, 03:50 PM
srsly, wtf @ most of those changes. Humans not pimped? lol

cash_money_empire11
5th December 2009, 03:51 PM
Attacks on You
Time Enemy Result Enemy Losses Your Losses Damage by Enemy Damage by You
3 minutes ago jaridz 3,537 Gold stolen 0 0 5,056,562 1,380,042
5 minutes ago pk3dyoura1 Attack defended 0 0 509,334 1,047,675
8 minutes ago Jefner 40,382 Gold stolen 0 0 4,254,715 1,308,341
9 minutes ago zjajuran007 178,130 Gold stolen 0 0 1,920,548 1,403,139
10 minutes ago Zurupa Attack defended 0 0 868,605 1,260,537
10 minutes ago Zurupa Attack defended 0 0 908,000 1,311,621
12 minutes ago zjajuran007 Attack defended 0 0 249,220 1,214,313
12 minutes ago bustedskull Attack defended 0 0 788,667 1,380,936
16 minutes ago sirlapins 68,157 Gold stolen 0 0 1,528,564 1,214,302
19 minutes ago JulianG Attack defended 0 0 1,155,217 1,287,476


0 and LS is back for a return??


Okay TGF or Baigo you can gladly have the #1 spot back wtf

Seneca
5th December 2009, 04:22 PM
almost every change is bullshit, except the new features and

Limited the amount a player can be sabotaged per day

Good change for sabbers.

# Removed ads on recruit page for faster clicking
# Changed frequency of security captchas

Both good changes if that last one is making them less frequent (they could hardly be more frequent so yea)

And trickle change is crap lol.

Nasser
5th December 2009, 04:29 PM
seriously.... wtf is that

Bloo
5th December 2009, 04:31 PM
Why bother with anything but BPM, IS, Nuns and towers?

Also, managed to attack a few players within minutes of them registering!
Already have top spy level, next upgrade is black powder @20mill, 30bpm's, 7 nuns etc...

Oh yeah, I have unit production at 80 per day!

Seneca
5th December 2009, 04:33 PM
Oh yea, the top weapons not being the most efficient is a gay RoC change too.

zeshan
5th December 2009, 04:34 PM
I do not understand the need to have ridiculously high numbers of attack turns to be used.
Currently as I understand ~180 turns are used or so while attacking. Why not have 18 instead or something. o.O

Also, anyone have any clue, how many turns we get per TBG?

vanit4s
5th December 2009, 04:42 PM
i have first sab?
Your spies successfully enter Baigo-SR's armory undetected, and destroy 2 of the enemy's Invisibility Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.
Your spies successfully enter Baigo-SR's armory undetected, and destroy 2 of the enemy's Invisibility Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

Nasser
5th December 2009, 04:51 PM
i have first sab?
Your spies successfully enter Baigo-SR's armory undetected, and destroy 2 of the enemy's Invisibility Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.
Your spies successfully enter Baigo-SR's armory undetected, and destroy 2 of the enemy's Invisibility Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

notrly ,

-=00:26:59=- <%Nasser> Your spies successfully enter Zeshan's armory undetected, and destroy 10 of the enemy's Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.
-=00:26:59=- <%Nasser> Your spies successfully enter Zeshan's armory undetected, and destroy 10 of the enemy's Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

-=00:27:20=- <&Pinturicchio> Your Chief of Intelligence dispatches 1 spies to attempt to sabotage 25 of Shane's weapons of type Shield.
-=00:27:20=- <&Pinturicchio> Your spies successfully enter Shane's armory undetected, and destroy 25 of the enemy's Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

-=00:28:05=- <%Nasser> Your spies successfully enter Pint-'s armory undetected, and destroy 25 of the enemy's Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

a lil after age started lol , sorry Zeshan was testing :P I hope those shields ain't dear ..

vanit4s
5th December 2009, 04:54 PM
pff, those are tiny Shields, not the Invisibility Ones

i saw him stealing 50.000.000 over and over again , so he was attacking an account that was resetting al the time?

zeshan
5th December 2009, 05:08 PM
notrly ,


a lil after age started lol , sorry Zeshan was testing :P I hope those shields ain't dear ..

lol np, I am not holding them anyways hehe. Oh well atleast, im one of the first persons to get sabbed in beta! yay me

@vanits - u referring to me? if yes, then I havent hit anyone for 50mil yet.

vanit4s
5th December 2009, 05:13 PM
no, i was sabbing (and talking about) Baigo, he had 400 bpms right away!

current number 1 stats
Strike Action: 7,697,233
Defensive Action 7,057,282
Spy Rating 1,874,739
Sentry Rating 1,379,328

baigo s strike at the same moment
Strike Action: 189,141,851 and less than 50% holding
so in fact he has 400.000.000 SA already
mine is Strike Action 25,162,643 Ranked #8 , so you can compare.

i was able to hit 1 of those resetting accounts which gave me strike action #2 at that very moment

Bloo
5th December 2009, 05:18 PM
Would be cool if people could clarify who the chain heads are to be this age. Thanks

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 05:37 PM
Sweet Revenge Baigo-SR 326 Orcs ??? Gold 1

I thought he said that if we let him win, that he would quit playing.

Bloo
5th December 2009, 05:45 PM
Sweet Revenge Baigo-SR 326 Orcs ??? Gold 1

I thought he said that if we let him win, that he would quit playing.

The Baigo: Attack Turns: 120

Looks like he has been messing around. 300BPM's.

Me: Strike Action 34,147,943 Ranked #8
Does that make me top ranks? Discuss.

vanit4s
5th December 2009, 05:55 PM
Sweet Revenge Baigo-SR 326 Orcs ??? Gold 1

I thought he said that if we let him win, that he would quit playing.

he sold 100 bpms and bought sentry instead after my sab, so his account is balanced now.

Paradiso
5th December 2009, 06:11 PM
"This person has recently registered. Attack them later!"


How did Baigo manage to do pull his little trick? Have people bank their 50mil then sell to him and reset?

Also: MY BEGINNINGNING OF AGE SABOTAEG WILL BE TERRIBLE

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 06:14 PM
Are we no longer allowed to attack players who have registered in the last day? If that is the case, perhaps we should reset players armories and upgrades and give them back 50 mil gold. (no need to reset tff, the players who would lose what they clicked we be upset, and that was not messed up by the change)

Paradiso
5th December 2009, 06:16 PM
Oh I see, people could get attacked immediately earlier and they changed it

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 06:25 PM
Oh I see, people could get attacked immediately earlier and they changed it

That is correct. Apparently baigo used it to get to 400 mil (held) SA.

Bloo
5th December 2009, 06:29 PM
That is correct. Apparently baigo used it to get to 400 mil (held) SA.

Lolz, but of course he wasn't the only one so it's unfair to single him out.

And of course, he did nothing wrong. For all he knew it was part of "the few changes along the way".

And he never had 400 mll sa, he had 400 BPM's. He now has 250. He also scratched his left nut and then made nachos.

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 06:34 PM
Baigo is the only one i know of who used up all more than 90% of his starting turns doing that.

Also, does anyone know who is playing TheGodFather_LaCN?

pigsfoot
5th December 2009, 06:37 PM
Baigo is the only one i know of who used up all more than 90% of his starting turns doing that.

Also, does anyone know who is playing TheGodFather_LaCN?

You have got to be the most annoying poster I have ever seen on GUA, please find a boyfriend and fuck off :sleep:

rock
5th December 2009, 07:25 PM
For the Beta, we have increased the initial amount of resources so features can be tested more fully. We have scaled back the armories of a number of players who abused this feature.

Hmm maybe wasn't smart after all ?? Lets see if admins actually make his bpms disappear o.O

BuGz
5th December 2009, 07:32 PM
Baigo now has 10 LTs, 29 BPMs, 3 IS, 3 Nuns


edit: He's throwing a tantrum in #kingsofchaos if anybody wants some good laughs

rock
5th December 2009, 07:40 PM
Guess admins did do it :D

JDX
5th December 2009, 07:44 PM
At least one more person got wrecked with it other then baigo cause people in the top 10 sa just jumped 2 ranks ahead after they 'adjusted' the exploiters.

Bloo
5th December 2009, 07:54 PM
I'd be fuming. The guy just clicked a couple of thousand links and had his account reset because the admins fucked up. Doesn't seem fair. But I guess it'll blow over.

Plus, look at the curent #1, 108mill sa (623 bpm's), 10 mill spy, 59 towers and a tff of 190!!! He can;t even hold his weapons! Why pick on one player!

BuGz
5th December 2009, 08:47 PM
I'd be fuming. The guy just clicked a couple of thousand links and had his account reset because the admins fucked up. Doesn't seem fair. But I guess it'll blow over.

Plus, look at the curent #1, 108mill sa (623 bpm's), 10 mill spy, 59 towers and a tff of 190!!! He can;t even hold his weapons! Why pick on one player!

They cleared his armory, they didn't reset his account. He did that to himself during his temper tantrum.

JDX
5th December 2009, 08:48 PM
BRET will cry if they do what they did to Baigo

xAre
5th December 2009, 08:51 PM
Can't say I didn't see this one comming.

Bloo
5th December 2009, 09:00 PM
KOC is fucked, search for Baigo, click his link and you get RAWR-.....

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 09:14 PM
KOC is fucked, search for Baigo, click his link and you get RAWR-.....

Im guessing he changed his name or something when he reset

JDX
5th December 2009, 09:30 PM
Was Baigo-ASM last I saw which was after his first reset.

Buh-Bye BRET

chaser1
5th December 2009, 10:00 PM
LoL! I love this! This is funny! And fun

zeshan
5th December 2009, 10:14 PM
I think Sweet Revenge Zeus-SR 16,082 Undead 176,901 Gold 498
is the main accnt for SR, not baigo.

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 10:15 PM
LoL! I love this! This is funny! And fun

well, up just became 100 times less expensive. Way to have me waste a lot of my initial 50 mil on something that you would make dirt cheap a few hours later.

ArxSerpens
5th December 2009, 10:31 PM
Lol @ FoT

Well, Top growth appears to be TGF, and who is that this age?

chaser1
5th December 2009, 10:32 PM
Its actually a mystery.

Shane-
5th December 2009, 10:34 PM
well, up just became 100 times less expensive. Way to have me waste a lot of my initial 50 mil on something that you would make dirt cheap a few hours later.

/me high fives Rocco!


This is a beta, we all know to expect changes, and that is why you shouldn't put too many of your eggs in one basket, any decent KoC player would know this, but all I can say is " Lol. "

As for the changes, I'm thinking the "Poor Trickle" could be nice, and hope it is kept for a few weeks, after all, this is a beta, and we all want to try something new, The admins did -Give us what we wanted-, and thats something different.

Will be fun to see how chains work to get goals done.


Shane

Bloo
5th December 2009, 10:41 PM
Agreed, I had already gone up to 80 per day, cost a fortune! Now I sold my SA to get 1280 - thought it was a mistake by the admins lol. Anyway, should make it much much closer in the mid to top ranks. Also means that Chariots and skins are the way to go.

JDX
5th December 2009, 10:49 PM
I only got to 10 or 20 a day before they lowered it so no worries 4 me

TH_Roofloof
5th December 2009, 11:55 PM
pff, those are tiny Shields, not the Invisibility Ones

i saw him stealing 50.000.000 over and over again , so he was attacking an account that was resetting al the time?


So is that legal??

LL
5th December 2009, 11:55 PM
I think admins have done great so far!! keep it up, except for the ridiculously cheap UP.

fistsofthor
5th December 2009, 11:59 PM
So is that legal??

its not illegal. Its more like a loophole that the admins left open. It looks like they decided to reduce the armory of those who went on attacking sprees like that.

Rastalord
6th December 2009, 12:21 AM
Your spies successfully enter FrostBite's armory undetected, and destroy 1 of the enemy's Dragonskin stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.
Your spies successfully enter FrostBite's armory undetected, and destroy 1 of the enemy's Dragonskin stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.


well... at least sabbing is still there?

Taures
6th December 2009, 12:30 AM
Good luck Every one
congratz to age 12 winners

isaldir
6th December 2009, 02:46 AM
Good luck Every one
congratz to age 12 winners

Great too see you around sometimes mate :P

On topic:

I think NWO will surprise us this age:
K_W_ 20,756 Dwarves

Screwdriver_LaCN
6th December 2009, 04:43 AM
First, Well Done to Baigo for winning age 12 :D
Second, Change the name of this thread it is BETA not regular Age :D
Third, I dont think someone will put so much effort into a beta, it will be a total chaos :D

fistsofthor
6th December 2009, 09:45 AM
First, Well Done to Baigo for winning age 12 :D
Second, Change the name of this thread it is BETA not regular Age :D
Third, I dont think someone will put so much effort into a beta, it will be a total chaos :D

yeah. plus, with gold being given out once a minute, turn farms this age and next age are going to be really interesting.

I mean, someone with 1 million tff would make 1 million gold per turn. Is that enough to hit them for if they have no DA? I do not know, but it will be fun to find out.

Sell off accounts will be interesting to hit. Of course, online turn farming someone to prevent them from getting any gold will be much harder this way (and less profitable).

But, at least it will be interesting.

Also, does anyone know what the top stats are, and what the cutoff mark is for being top10 in a stat is?

blazed420
6th December 2009, 10:23 AM
yeah. plus, with gold being given out once a minute, turn farms this age and next age are going to be really interesting.

I mean, someone with 1 million tff would make 1 million gold per turn. Is that enough to hit them for if they have no DA? I do not know, but it will be fun to find out.

Sell off accounts will be interesting to hit. Of course, online turn farming someone to prevent them from getting any gold will be much harder this way (and less profitable).

But, at least it will be interesting.

Also, does anyone know what the top stats are, and what the cutoff mark is for being top10 in a stat is?

Well for top stats I can show you a top 3 strike action... I've decided I'll play this Age a lil more loose and try out a diff playstyle for once.

Strike Action 89,879,495 Ranked #3

:)

capkop
6th December 2009, 10:37 AM
So who's claiming the mass on TGF acc? :o I think his TFF dropped some 8k? Being undead (-75% casualties) that either means these mass turns are really fancy, or it was a quite large scale attack.

fistsofthor
6th December 2009, 10:56 AM
Well for top stats I can show you a top 3 strike action... I've decided I'll play this Age a lil more loose and try out a diff playstyle for once.

Strike Action 89,879,495 Ranked #3

:)

whats your best hit of the age?

Bryan
6th December 2009, 01:21 PM
Experience? What might this be...

jog1
6th December 2009, 02:02 PM
So who's claiming the mass on TGF acc? :o I think his TFF dropped some 8k? Being undead (-75% casualties) that either means these mass turns are really fancy, or it was a quite large scale attack.

I tested that for you, 10 turns took away about 1k soldiers.

Paradiso
6th December 2009, 02:04 PM
THANK YOU TO ALL THE MISCER WHO WORKED HARD STOP THE LACN FROM GETTING #1. WE WILL WORK HARD ONCE AGIAN AGE 13 DESROTY THE LACN

fistsofthor
6th December 2009, 02:24 PM
Experience? What might this be...

Whenever you use a game turn for attacking or sabbing (dont know about reconning) it gives you 1 experience.

For example, suppose you use 180 game turns to attack a player. You get 180 experience. It may just be a measure of how many turns you have used so far this age.


[#1] Shane [TFE] 1,044,259 6,956,612 1,024 6,726,656 53,562 21m
[#2] TheGodFather_LaCN [LaCN] 245,353 10,915,533 0 106,163 53,258 1h
[#3] Zeus-SR [SR] 623,538 13,831,638 3,072 4,992 48,102 4h


Are the 3 leading TFF players. They will probably do well this age (obviously)

Also, I think that everyone should be afraid of sarah:

<@sarah> Strike Action 38,045 Ranked #2,054
<@sarah> Defensive Action 1,792,729 Ranked #674
<@sarah> Spy Rating 208 Ranked #1,511
<@sarah> Sentry Rating 0 Ranked #2,096
<@sarah> please dont rush to congratulate me :P
<@andzil> dw i wont :P
<@fistsofthor> congrats sarah!
<@sarah> fists go spam upinform gua about how much i pwn right now :P

She pwns.


Also, the top Strike is 113,740,769

Compared to the top sentry which is less than 50 mil. I think that 50 mil gold start gave slayers a fairly significant edge.

Anyhow, the switching to experience mode now probably hurt those who already had used their turns. Well, every beta is crazy.

I, for one, am enjoying it.

LordCounter
6th December 2009, 03:04 PM
Whenever you use a game turn for attacking or sabbing (dont know about reconning) it gives you 1 experience.

For example, suppose you use 180 game turns to attack a player. You get 180 experience. It may just be a measure of how many turns you have used so far this age.


dont you think that before posting this on trd, it would be useful to actually test this theory of yours?

you get experience for attacking and sabbing....but the amount is pretty weird. sabbing a dragonskin gets you 5 exp, while sabbing a stick gives you 20 points.

and another sabbing feature:
Your opponent has already suffered heavy losses today, and his sentry force is on full alert. Your sabotage will not succeed until they let their guard down.

AxEHeaD15
6th December 2009, 03:04 PM
Has everyone forgotten how to recon? Srsly so many defended hits already this beta, from people who are not even considered nubs. Is anyone going to try real hard to get #1 in the beta?

-AxE

Seneca
6th December 2009, 03:14 PM
I am trying so hard man, it's hard to believe.

LordCounter
6th December 2009, 03:16 PM
Has everyone forgotten how to recon? Srsly so many defended hits already this beta, from people who are not even considered nubs. Is anyone going to try real hard to get #1 in the beta?

-AxE

lol it costs turns to recon

AxEHeaD15
6th December 2009, 03:22 PM
Hmm, so blind hits will be legal in all alliances then?

Kegger
6th December 2009, 03:24 PM
dont you think that before posting this on trd, it would be useful to actually test this theory of yours?

you get experience for attacking and sabbing....but the amount is pretty weird. sabbing a dragonskin gets you 5 exp, while sabbing a stick gives you 20 points.

and another sabbing feature:
Your opponent has already suffered heavy losses today, and his sentry force is on full alert. Your sabotage will not succeed until they let their guard down.

If my actions and interpretations were correct, you gain 1 xp for 1 sab turn used. So if you use 5 sab turns, you'll gain 5 xp points. PER attempt. So if you fail 50 times, and use 5 sab turns, you'll gain 250 XP. However, you'll also USE 250 turns.

I actually kinda like this system of spy/sab turns and attack turns drawing from the same pool. More planning will be required in times of war :D

blazed420
6th December 2009, 09:52 PM
In other TRD news!

It's 4:20! 1 25
The Syndicate 98 25
Lords of Peril 92 22
Fearless Force 59 15

This awesome 1 manned alliance is over taking 3 major chain/alliances on the rankings! Who could be the master mind behind the alliances awesomeness?! Oh snap!!!

Discuss. ;)

jog1
6th December 2009, 10:04 PM
Hmm, so blind hits will be legal in all alliances then?

It's a beta, so pretty much everyone is going to do anything. Don't try playing it serious.

ra_1
6th December 2009, 10:30 PM
1 turn lost is 1 xp gained..for everything..
recon uses 1 turn--1 xp for 1 recon
attack uses 180 turns--180 xp for 1 attack
raid uses 30 turns--30 xp for 1 raid
sabotage --what ever turns you use will go as xp.

so wars will be fought tough..slaying alliances cant fight wars effectively as they will be low on turns..and also sobotage is limited on a person so wars will take forever to finish :)

Rasputin
6th December 2009, 10:42 PM
In other TRD news!

It's 4:20! 1 25
The Syndicate 98 25
Lords of Peril 92 22
Fearless Force 59 15

This awesome 1 manned alliance is over taking 3 major chain/alliances on the rankings! Who could be the master mind behind the alliances awesomeness?! Oh snap!!!

Discuss. ;)



Well i hear he's a sexy little nub :)

fistsofthor
6th December 2009, 10:49 PM
1 turn lost is 1 xp gained..for everything..
recon uses 1 turn--1 xp for 1 recon
attack uses 180 turns--180 xp for 1 attack
raid uses 30 turns--30 xp for 1 raid
sabotage --what ever turns you use will go as xp.

so wars will be fought tough..slaying alliances cant fight wars effectively as they will be low on turns..and also sobotage is limited on a person so wars will take forever to finish :)

excellent, that is how it should be. Wars should be long and drawn out and painful. I mean, while destroying 90% of the accounts in SR until they had only BPM weapons over the course of about 12 hours was fun, it was a little one sided. Without turn farming and the slow removal of ISs and BPMs, that would have been over WAY WAY to quickly.

In any case, it appears that the last #1 account was reset or something. (seems to be a common trend)

Uther is the new #1. He seems to be part of fearless force.

6 hour old info:

Army Size:
Unit Type Attack Specialist Defense Specialist Untrained
Mercenaries 0 0 20
Soldiers 208 36 74

Military Stats
Strike Action: 131,561,051
Defensive Action 10,170,410
Spy Rating 14,635,008
Sentry Rating 8,197,120
Covert Skill: 10
Covert Operatives: 369
Siege Technology: Siege Towers
Attack Turns: 455
Unit Production: 1,280

Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
Dragonskin ??? 2 ???/???
Invisibility Shield Defend 46 10,000/???
Lookout Tower Sentry 65 120/???
Shield ??? 25 20/20
Nunchaku ??? 117 120/120
Blackpowder Missile Attack 237 10,000/10,000

Rasputin
6th December 2009, 10:50 PM
i feel as though i should be shocked he replied to this so quickly, then i remember he has no social life, and i'm no longer surprised.

BillyCrack
7th December 2009, 12:57 AM
Weeeeeell did someone expect this?

alliance member recon available Sweet Revenge Baigo-SR 139 Orcs 873,467 Gold 6m ago 1

Paradiso
7th December 2009, 01:29 AM
Strike Action: 131,561,051


Where are people getting gold for these stats?

UMIST
7th December 2009, 02:54 AM
they must be farming or got a nice tbg?

dohh
7th December 2009, 03:02 AM
Where are people getting gold for these stats?

Likely hitting chain reset accounts (50mi gold)

capkop
7th December 2009, 03:16 AM
I hope admins will reset these accounts since it totally unbalances the game.

Lopina
7th December 2009, 03:24 AM
Actually, resets now have 1hr protection, as well as new accounts, so, I don't think this is exploiting.

Exploiting would be, if you'd be hitting same account over and over and over again, which would indicate you instructed someone to do so. Hitting random accounts is perfectly legal, IMO.

Paradiso
7th December 2009, 03:52 AM
Accounts that don't spend their 50mil after the hour should lose it.

Also how do we know they don't have people in their alliance activating account and letting them hit after an hour? Would be impossible to track as long as the person isn't in chain and only does it once


they must be farming or got a nice tbg?

No one in the game has that kind of income yet. Gotta be the 50mil starting accounts

Beddow
7th December 2009, 04:23 AM
im only just starting to find hit over 2 mil, in a couple of days there will be way more gold though

ThomasA
7th December 2009, 04:26 AM
Where are people getting gold for these stats?


Attack Turns: 455


...

UMIST
7th December 2009, 04:58 AM
...

yes but ThomaA each attack costs 180 turns. Each recon is 1 turn. So that 400 odd turns will only give u 2 hits! :(

Semper.Fidelis
7th December 2009, 05:07 AM
Hitting random accounts is perfectly legal, IMO.

Yeah random for sure. I'm sure there are plenty of random people activating and not doing anything with the 50m gold they get. Didn't we all do that? No wait smth doesn't really add up here... If it were only random accounts I'd agree, considering the probability of that is about the same as me being god having a good laugh about you while makeing up shit I'd say it is pretty much exploiting a feature that was intended to equally benefit every newly signed-up player. Hence the logs should be checked and exploiters should be banned.

Lil_Wolfy
7th December 2009, 05:53 AM
Unless im mistaken surely you'll get a rubbish % considering army size differences?

also, Hai :)

cowboy_from_hell
7th December 2009, 06:15 AM
Not correct. I just made a 45% steal with a lower army size. This sucks

fistsofthor
7th December 2009, 06:27 AM
Not correct. I just made a 45% steal with a lower army size. This sucks

with all the clicking happening, TFFs are rising quickly (especially yours!).

So, it is possible that you grew between when you last checked your tff.

cowboy_from_hell
7th December 2009, 06:47 AM
ermm yeah cause I am an idiot like that, not to check my tff before I hit. Please stfu.

Just fyi, I had 4.5K tff, he had 6K tff.

ThomasA
7th December 2009, 06:55 AM
yes but ThomaA each attack costs 180 turns. Each recon is 1 turn. So that 400 odd turns will only give u 2 hits! :(

Thats how many they have left meaning he spent the others.

Now I cant remember the starting amount, but you could work out how many has been spent and the average hit needed.

fistsofthor
7th December 2009, 07:03 AM
Thats how many they have left meaning he spent the others.

Now I cant remember the starting amount, but you could work out how many has been spent and the average hit needed.

players started with 2500 game turns. We gained 1 a minute, so lets go with 3940 as that is starting+ 1 days worth of turns. Which, was how long it was when those recons were taken.

So, we estimate that he has spent a bit less than 3500 turns on attacks. That would mean 19 attacks.

So, as his invested gold was over 500 million. In any case, 500/19 = 26.3 mil per attack.

Ricky91
7th December 2009, 07:38 AM
You don't get turns to match the requirements for all the attacking/sabbing/recons. Just means the game has gone a step further into mass clicking/banking.

Anyway, still amazed the weapon strength have not been changed

Ferrous
7th December 2009, 07:47 AM
180 turns per attack looks a little too much
with that we get in effect only 8 attack turns
a day [60*24/180]
and since we have to sab using the same turns
during times of war when we sab like 20-30 persons
what turns do we have left to slay??

Seneca
7th December 2009, 08:03 AM
180 turns per attack looks a little too much
with that we get in effect only 8 attack turns
a day [60*24/180]
and since we have to sab using the same turns
during times of war when we sab like 20-30 persons
what turns do we have left to slay??

Last age most people ended up having turns left, this age we're getting exact same amount basically (1 goldhit / 3 hours), except now you have to sab and recon with them too. There are only very little people actually affected by those changes (mostly rogues), but in return they get raiding.. which is a great boost to rogues.

Kegger
7th December 2009, 12:45 PM
You don't get turns to match the requirements for all the attacking/sabbing/recons. Just means the game has gone a step further into mass clicking/banking.

Anyway, still amazed the weapon strength have not been changed

Have you not looked closely at the new armory? BPMs are now equal in strength to IS's. Also LT's and Nunnies have received a small boost in power. But all top tier weaps have received a cost increase.....


180 turns per attack looks a little too much
with that we get in effect only 8 attack turns
a day [60*24/180]
and since we have to sab using the same turns
during times of war when we sab like 20-30 persons
what turns do we have left to slay??

I actually like this new change. By drawing from the same pool of turns, it limits the amount of dmg ONE account can do to the KoC community. Now more careful planning will be required by chains and accounts in war management.

fistsofthor
7th December 2009, 01:20 PM
Have you not looked closely at the new armory? BPMs are now equal in strength to IS's. Also LT's and Nunnies have received a small boost in power. But all top tier weaps have received a cost increase.....



I actually like this new change. By drawing from the same pool of turns, it limits the amount of dmg ONE account can do to the KoC community. Now more careful planning will be required by chains and accounts in war management.

although, limitting sab turns is often an unpleasant thing to do.

Also, baigo's ranks are:
SA: 1
DA: 8
Spy: 52
Sentry: 22

Apparently he has over 300 mil SA.

Bryan
7th December 2009, 05:29 PM
Its actually a mystery.

Heard it was merv, is that true?


I'm just curious how the slayers are doing this well so far in the age. Their stats are pretty impressive compared to the amount of gold out there. I feel like everyone is taking the mindset of bluud back when he decided to slay for an age and was in the top 10 for a while

chaser1
7th December 2009, 05:55 PM
It could be that they are doing what baigo did. hitting accounts that are first starting, then watching them reset and hit again. free 50ml per hit. Thats a free possible 600 BPMs right off the bat.

Kegger
7th December 2009, 05:58 PM
I heard it was merv too.

dohh
7th December 2009, 06:54 PM
cats out of the bag, i'm playing TGF this age

jog1
7th December 2009, 07:03 PM
It seems the number of recons you can do on 1 player per day was increased.

3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0

that's 13 right there. Anyone knows what the max his? or if there is a max?

paper_mario
7th December 2009, 07:13 PM
Max recons is now 15, up from 10...lol.

TGF is prolly Merv...seeing as his account from last age has not shown up this age yet :P
Merv (not active)

fistsofthor
7th December 2009, 07:39 PM
It seems the number of recons you can do on 1 player per day was increased.

3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0
3 hours ago TheGodFather_LaCN Recon 0 0

that's 13 right there. Anyone knows what the max his? or if there is a max?

max recons is at 16. Its probably supposed to be 15 just like, before this beta, it was supposed to be 10, but was always 11.

xAre
7th December 2009, 08:26 PM
max recons is at 16. Its probably supposed to be 15 just like, before this beta, it was supposed to be 10, but was always 11.

Someone forgot that their arrays start at 0 instead of 1 ;]

fistsofthor
7th December 2009, 08:57 PM
Someone forgot that their arrays start at 0 instead of 1 ;]

but, they have always gotten it spot on with the attack cap. I suppose an extra recon doesnt really hurt anybody.

Pj-
7th December 2009, 11:32 PM
New stuff new stuff:

Conquest!

it's pretty cool, only fail is that i now have experience with everything upgraded already '-_-
mods, add stuff to upgrade lol

UMIST
7th December 2009, 11:47 PM
wait patiently lol!

Seneca
8th December 2009, 05:57 AM
Someone forgot that their arrays start at 0 instead of 1 ;]

for roughly 13 ages now

ArxSerpens
8th December 2009, 01:08 PM
Lol, Certainly a lot of changes this age, that will change the way everyone has to play.

Keeps shit interesting at least :p

On a dif topic:
Who Posted?
Total Posts: 106
User Name Posts
fistsofthor 16
Bloo 7
Seneca 6
Paradiso 5
zeshan 4

Fists....Dude. Stop it, you have 1/5 of TRD posts, for just yourself. Learn to edit your post before, or wait until you have 2-3 posts to make, and put them into one. Please.

fistsofthor
8th December 2009, 01:20 PM
Lol, Certainly a lot of changes this age, that will change the way everyone has to play.

Keeps shit interesting at least :p

On a dif topic:
Who Posted?
Total Posts: 106
User Name Posts
fistsofthor 16
Bloo 7
Seneca 6
Paradiso 5
zeshan 4

Fists....Dude. Stop it, you have 1/5 of TRD posts, for just yourself. Learn to edit your post before, or wait until you have 2-3 posts to make, and put them into one. Please.

That would put me down as having 15% of posts on this forums. That is just a little more than 1/7rh in this thread. Thats not that bad.

Baigo went into hiding, and dropped out of rank #1.

In recent news, baigo's stats are:
Military Stats
Strike Action: 1,254,490
Defensive Action 0
Spy Rating 18,579,456
Sentry Rating 12,954,624
Covert Skill: 10
Covert Operatives: 7,077
Siege Technology: Sappers
Attack Turns: 982
Unit Production: 2,560

Blackpowder Missile Attack 189 ???/???
Lookout Tower ??? 50 120/???


and two other weapons and/or tools. Baigo must really beis clearly training down by a lot every day.

Also, Ure_More_ is the highest ranked member of TFE. He has no officers, and is currently ranked #4 in KoC. What is up with that?

jog1
8th December 2009, 03:00 PM
He didn't drop out of rank 1 because of rank hiding.

he was rank 3 when he trained down :P

Lopina and Myself are just that good :D

blazed420
8th December 2009, 03:17 PM
Lopina and Myself are just that good :D

Seriously lol'd at that :P

xAre
8th December 2009, 04:02 PM
but, they have always gotten it spot on with the attack cap. I suppose an extra recon doesnt really hurt anybody.
Probably counting it in a different way.

for roughly 13 ages now
I suppose an extra recon is "meh".
...if they ever realized it.

xshintenshix
8th December 2009, 08:16 PM
so... does a recon cost a turn or not, i have really slow net so im not sure if its the "turn per minute" that's fooling me

fistsofthor
8th December 2009, 08:29 PM
so... does a recon cost a turn or not, i have really slow net so im not sure if its the "turn per minute" that's fooling me

it did, then it didnt, then it did again. I am presently pretty sure that it does (but that is subject to change at any time)

UMIST
8th December 2009, 10:11 PM
i think it does as well. I have noticed my turns fo after i did a large number of recons for myself or friends

fistsofthor
8th December 2009, 11:07 PM
well, baigo is back in the top 3, but someone else from SR is number 1:
Sweet Revenge jojo-SR 1,691 Orcs ??? Gold 1
alliance member Lords of Peril Aarya_LOP 1,322 Elves ??? Gold 2
recon available Sweet Revenge Baigo-SR 7,059 Orcs ??? Gold 3


In any case, its quite interesting.

Fail_Monster
8th December 2009, 11:12 PM
I wonder how it is possible to have such a high rank and such a low TFF, as it is doubtful that the gold hits would be that great. Although, I could be wrong, since my SA is not high enough to be making those types of hits to begin with.

jog1
8th December 2009, 11:58 PM
For Fists pleasure here are stats of a #1 account :

Strike Action 243,557,838 Ranked #3
Defensive Action 62,422,648 Ranked #5
Spy Rating 28,523,520 Ranked #8
Sentry Rating 20,795,392 Ranked #7

A lot of people still rank hiding. Oh and I'm only holding my weapons with untrained soldiers :P

Kegger
9th December 2009, 12:50 AM
what jog1 said.

Rank 1 doesn't matter shit right now. its when the timer hits zero in ~2 months time that counts.

ofom_dezarc
9th December 2009, 02:02 AM
I wonder how it is possible to have such a high rank and such a low TFF, as it is doubtful that the gold hits would be that great. Although, I could be wrong, since my SA is not high enough to be making those types of hits to begin with.

Why do you think Baigo and Jog1 both trained down to under 15 soldiers about 15 hours ago ?
They are hitting the newbs who don't spend their 50mill within the hour of creating their accounts.

There isn't enough gold on the battlefield for them to have those stats, and they they woudn't have enough turns.

Good tactic :badger:
But annoying for all the people who decided to tank :p

ra_1
9th December 2009, 02:29 AM
what jog1 said.

Rank 1 doesn't matter shit right now. its when the timer hits zero in ~2 months time that counts.

Kegger you may not have noticed this
"Age 13 Beta will end in about a month"..so we are just 1 month far and it does matter :)

Suryus-ts
9th December 2009, 07:15 AM
Spy Rating 55,715,328 Ranked #4
Sentry Rating 47,582,208 Ranked #1

hope to keep them up :eyepop:

UMIST
9th December 2009, 07:25 AM
nice and good work!

LordCounter
9th December 2009, 07:51 AM
hows thats nice thats more like bs. how many time your tbg do you have in your armoury? 5mil? after 4 days? lol

BloodBullet
9th December 2009, 09:53 AM
Spy Rating 55,715,328 Ranked #4
Sentry Rating 47,582,208 Ranked #1

hope to keep them up :eyepop:

nice noob stalking xD

chaser1
9th December 2009, 09:53 AM
and rank doesnt matter. ITS BETA! Its not a real age. go have fun. destroy, pillage and plunder

powdered_donuts
9th December 2009, 11:15 AM
and rank doesnt matter. ITS BETA! Its not a real age. go have fun. destroy, pillage and plunder

but i'm spending all my turns getting xp for the economic developement roflmao

Guess I can have fun beating wolves to death with a stick, I can destroy a halflings village proving I'm better because I'm bigger, and I can pillage the ogre's home when they are on vacation because they are too scary to confront.

Than I can sit at home with tea and crumpets while my new halfling slave makes me a wolf stew, and I can play put put with my ogre sized bran new to me golf putters.

And than the gnomes can come plunder my home and steal my newly obatianed golf putters, rape my halfling slave, and take my wolf skins to make new socks out of. :/

fistsofthor
9th December 2009, 11:29 AM
but i'm spending all my turns getting xp for the economic developement roflmao

Guess I can have fun beating wolves to death with a stick, I can destroy a halflings village proving I'm better because I'm bigger, and I can pillage the ogre's home when they are on vacation because they are too scary to confront.

Than I can sit at home with tea and crumpets while my new halfling slave makes me a wolf stew, and I can play put put with my ogre sized bran new to me golf putters.

And than the gnomes can come plunder my home and steal my newly obatianed golf putters, rape my halfling slave, and take my wolf skins to make new socks out of. :/

Yeah, 1 billion SA required to beat up the nomes seems like rocco decided that there would be bigger players who wantted to use this feature. Personally, I am a little curious as to whether that is the last one, or if there is one after that (maybe at 100 billion, maybe at 1 trillion, who knows?)

As for the top ranking, an average stat rank of 67 is required to get into the top 10 at present.

Kegger
9th December 2009, 12:14 PM
haha nice one powdered_donuts.

Agent47
9th December 2009, 09:58 PM
there is a good chance that some noob stalker(by taking some sells 4m fellow noob stalkers) will win this age :)..
It may b the winner with lowest ever tff :-)
i think SR has d most number of successful noob stalkers :-)

fistsofthor
9th December 2009, 10:44 PM
there is a good chance that some noob stalker(by taking some sells 4m fellow noob stalkers) will win this age :)..
It may b the winner with lowest ever tff :-)
i think SR has d most number of successful noob stalkers :-)

yes, baigo has been doing excellently.

jog1
9th December 2009, 11:12 PM
Lords of Peril Aarya_LOP 1,326 Elves ??? Gold 1

Did she get some sells? or is she the best noob stalker of all? Because I'm rank 2 and she's way ahead of my stats.

jojo-SR (rank 2)
Strike Action 305,588,552 Ranked #3
Defensive Action 97,056,683 Ranked #7
Spy Rating 40,545,280 Ranked #8
Sentry Rating 27,531,264 Ranked #7

Aarya_LOP
Strike Action: 261,849,853
Defensive Action 107,008,107
Spy Rating 79,933,440
Sentry Rating 30,707,712

Now you'll say she's not that ahead of me, but she as way more weapons then me, I guess the fact she's elves doesn't help.

Your spies successfully enter Aarya_LOP's armory undetected, and destroy 6 of the enemy's Lookout Tower stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.
Your spies successfully enter Aarya_LOP's armory undetected, and destroy 6 of the enemy's Lookout Tower stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

Aarya_LOP None 1 minute ago no
feel free to sab back! it's a beta let's have some fun!

xshintenshix
9th December 2009, 11:31 PM
you still have enviable stats jojo ;P
i want that defence :badger:

Ferrous
9th December 2009, 11:40 PM
there is a good chance that some noob stalker(by taking some sells 4m fellow noob stalkers) will win this age :)..
It may b the winner with lowest ever tff :-)
i think SR has d most number of successful noob stalkers :-)

Hey agent long time! :D
well they sure have good chances

fistsofthor
9th December 2009, 11:47 PM
she doesnt seem to be way ahead in stats. he has her beat by 40 mil in SA, and he has her beat in sentry. she is narrowly leading in Da, and has a decent edge in Spy. really, not a tremendous lead on jojo...

ra_1
9th December 2009, 11:48 PM
with initial gold down to 50k..no more noob stalking xD

fistsofthor
9th December 2009, 11:49 PM
with initial gold down to 50k..no more noob stalking xD

yeah, i think the top ranking chances died with that. It looks like TFF and tbg may win out, but then again, now the top SA people get to turn on the top TBG people.

xshintenshix
9th December 2009, 11:56 PM
who are the top SA people, anyone keeping tabs on the number one?

I want to see what happens after gnomes!

powdered_donuts
10th December 2009, 12:59 AM
Lords of Peril Aarya_LOP 1,326 Elves ??? Gold 1

Did she get some sells? or is she the best noob stalker of all? Because I'm rank 2 and she's way ahead of my stats.

jojo-SR (rank 2)
Strike Action 305,588,552 Ranked #3
Defensive Action 97,056,683 Ranked #7
Spy Rating 40,545,280 Ranked #8
Sentry Rating 27,531,264 Ranked #7

Aarya_LOP
Strike Action: 261,849,853
Defensive Action 107,008,107
Spy Rating 79,933,440
Sentry Rating 30,707,712

Now you'll say she's not that ahead of me, but she as way more weapons then me, I guess the fact she's elves doesn't help.

Your spies successfully enter Aarya_LOP's armory undetected, and destroy 6 of the enemy's Lookout Tower stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.
Your spies successfully enter Aarya_LOP's armory undetected, and destroy 6 of the enemy's Lookout Tower stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

Aarya_LOP None 1 minute ago no
feel free to sab back! it's a beta let's have some fun!

there are three ppl with over 300m strike action already? I feel so innept. rofl, and i'm guna join in your little sab fest before your sentry gets outa my reach :)

Your spies successfully enter jojo-SR's armory undetected, and destroy 3 of the enemy's Lookout Tower stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp. x2 :)

Your right, if you can take six of hers and I can only take three of yours she's got like twice your armory. :/ how odd looking ........

Seneca
10th December 2009, 07:02 AM
Pretty sad that those people might actually stay ahead of the lead accounts lol

fistsofthor
10th December 2009, 07:02 AM
Well, King-of-retribution has over a 600 mil SA.

powdered_donuts
10th December 2009, 07:12 AM
Your spies successfully enter king-of-retribution's armory undetected, and destroy 3 of the enemy's Nunchaku stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp. x2

looks like his armory is just as big as jojo's, even has the same siege technology :) Siege Technology: Sappers

fistsofthor
10th December 2009, 11:30 AM
Your spies successfully enter king-of-retribution's armory undetected, and destroy 3 of the enemy's Nunchaku stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp. x2

looks like his armory is just as big as jojo's, even has the same siege technology :) Siege Technology: Sappers

well, in any case, he tried to sab me, and now he has gone inactive. that is odd.

powdered_donuts
10th December 2009, 02:54 PM
he sent:

king-of-retribution None 7 hours ago



oops didnt mean to attack was meant to send a message lol..
whats with the sab?

i sent:

king-of-retribution None 7 hours ago yes

on gua they mentioned you have one of the biggest armory values so i had to see how much i could sab off ya :) feel free to sab back, it's beta :D

he sent:

king-of-retribution None 4 hours ago



nah Dan i cant be bothered lol, this is the last message im ever sending im deleting because your so damn nasty!
goodbye and farewell.

***********************************
and now i'm confused, if he seriously quit though i'm guessing he sold off to someone :/

Taures
12th December 2009, 05:51 AM
Pretty sad that those people might actually stay ahead of the lead accounts lol

sad?
let them have fun mate

jog1
12th December 2009, 06:17 AM
They won't stay ahead for long.

Agent47
12th December 2009, 06:34 AM
They won't stay ahead for long.

may b u should correct it to "we won't stay ahead for long."...lol :D

fistsofthor
12th December 2009, 08:40 PM
he sent:

king-of-retribution None 7 hours ago



oops didnt mean to attack was meant to send a message lol..
whats with the sab?

i sent:

king-of-retribution None 7 hours ago yes

on gua they mentioned you have one of the biggest armory values so i had to see how much i could sab off ya :) feel free to sab back, it's beta :D

he sent:

king-of-retribution None 4 hours ago



nah Dan i cant be bothered lol, this is the last message im ever sending im deleting because your so damn nasty!
goodbye and farewell.

***********************************
and now i'm confused, if he seriously quit though i'm guessing he sold off to someone :/

Wow, sounds like he really flipped out. I mean, players can only lose 2% per day. that really is not that much.

jog1
12th December 2009, 09:20 PM
Increased daily limit on sabotage against a target

on dec 9

I don't think it's 2 % anymore.

I've been sabbed by 10 in the same day.

fistsofthor
12th December 2009, 10:14 PM
Increased daily limit on sabotage against a target

on dec 9

I don't think it's 2 % anymore.

I've been sabbed by 10 in the same day.

I was starting to get used to and adjusting to the idea of 2% per day. 10% per day seems a little on the high side now, but if its no more than that, I suppose we can all live with it.

So, Lady_Rowas is in #1. Any comments?

Also, Shane is exhibitting remarkable growth:
Army Size: 435,813
Army Morale: 60

nice job to TFE for supporting that.

powdered_donuts
13th December 2009, 12:24 AM
So, Lady_Rowas is in #1. Any comments?

Your spies successfully enter Lady_Rowan's armory undetected, and destroy 8 of the enemy's Guard Dog stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp. x2 :)

Lopina
13th December 2009, 03:11 AM
Also, Shane is exhibitting remarkable growth:
Army Size: 435,813
Army Morale: 60


Hehe, I think that has something to do with rigging the CF's clicklist ;)

And Shane has full right to do so, since it's his piece of software.

Taures
13th December 2009, 03:43 AM
Hehe, I think that has something to do with rigging the CF's clicklist ;)

And Shane has full right to do so, since it's his piece of software.

lol are you in a different workd, how do you think age 10 was won when morale was virtually uselss and only a few pals where growing..
and Shred seems to be doing great

Ferrous
13th December 2009, 03:48 AM
Shane is only taking advantage of the fact that he is a coder
i dont blame him....:D

Seneca
13th December 2009, 04:31 AM
At the moment there's no autoclickback, thus, morale is pretty much irrelevant for top accounts. All growth is coming from the recruiters, and the recruiters don't check the amount of morale first, they just click.

Obvious conclusion is Shane's officers are getting clicked a lot, that's why he's growing fast. How? I guess Lopina is right in saying that they're on top of the recruiterlists, but to call that 'rigged'.. honestly, he has full right to do so and well, let's not go into rigged LaCN recruiters lol.

@Lady_Rowan #1
Nice, but a unique choice of not training soldiers to SA.

Shane-
13th December 2009, 05:12 AM
Rigged isn't the right word, As I've said to people already, Each chain does end up with a priority placement in the public lists, so to keep things more fair.

At the start of the age, LaCN had a priority spot for a period of time, after that period of time, RF got a priority spot(And still has it), sometime tomorrow it'll change again and SR will have a priority spot. This is pretty much direct officers only, so the -main account- benefits the most.

Anyone is free to check the public lists at any time to see if I'm lieing, Or Lopina, Go ask Bluud.

If the public CF is "rigged", then I guess its rigged for a lot more than myself.

Shane

capkop
13th December 2009, 05:22 AM
priority places on CFs clicklist are near irrelevant to growth.

CF
Users in last 24 hours: 59

If they all clicked shanes' list fully 5 times it would be a whooping 4.5k growth in 24h for shane.

Lopina
13th December 2009, 07:35 AM
Rigged isn't the right word, As I've said to people already, Each chain does end up with a priority placement in the public lists, so to keep things more fair.

At the start of the age, LaCN had a priority spot for a period of time, after that period of time, RF got a priority spot(And still has it), sometime tomorrow it'll change again and SR will have a priority spot. This is pretty much direct officers only, so the -main account- benefits the most.

Anyone is free to check the public lists at any time to see if I'm lieing, Or Lopina, Go ask Bluud.

If the public CF is "rigged", then I guess its rigged for a lot more than myself.

Shane

Hmz, it seems that my choice of a word "rigged" wasn't the best one, but I simply don't know any other that would fit in the context.
And as I sad, Shane, you have every right to to put any1 @ the start of the click list. You are the author of CF and it's your prerogative to do with it whatever you like.
And as long as you're not doing anything sneaky, like IceSword secretly sending morale to himself and then deleting the messages, I have no problem with it. ;)

Seneca
13th December 2009, 08:25 AM
Name: Blazed-SR
Commander: Shane

Blazed shows off his loyalty once more <3

Lopina
13th December 2009, 08:35 AM
Name: Blazed-SR
Commander: Shane
Alliances: TFE™ (Primary), It's 4:20!
Race: Orcs
Rank: 15
Highest Rank: 3 / 6 days ago
Army Size: 10,845
Army Morale: 893
Treasury: 741,337
Fortifications: Boiling OilI don't see a SR tag anywhere?
Any1 from SR care to explain, or you want to keep us in dark, speculating?

And a response to the jolly fella who left me a note without signing himself

so basically you're calling Shane a cheater? gtfo you LaCN auto messenger/sell catcher/autobuyer using idiot.
If you took any time reading what I posted, you'd have noticed that I actually give Shane every right to do whatever he likes with CF and that I was merely posting my observation on shane's growth.
As for accusing me for using those tools mentioned, I'm gonna tell you what Bon told me: Show me the proof. ;)

Baigo
13th December 2009, 09:06 AM
Before warring LaCN again during the age, Blazed was asked (again) to leave chain and look for resguard under Shane.

blazed420
13th December 2009, 09:08 AM
No one told me to leave this time, left on my own. I just like Shane more than Baigo/SR :)

Baigo
13th December 2009, 09:14 AM
Let's make some drama, anyway you know most people in SR didn't like you much. Quite a job for me to make them shut up about your stupid differences.

blazed420
13th December 2009, 09:20 AM
Let's make some drama, anyway you know most people in SR didn't like you much. Quite a job for me to make them shut up about your stupid differences.

:)

Oh well. Maybe if you held to your word or treated everyone fairly people wouldnt hate your guts and treat you like a dirty mexican eh? /Dramago!

Baigo
13th December 2009, 09:21 AM
If I treated people fairly? Explain why I'm so... unfair.

fistsofthor
13th December 2009, 09:23 AM
If I treated people fairly? Explain why I'm so... unfair.

because you are not very subtle when you through your "weight" around.

xjkryex
13th December 2009, 12:19 PM
No one told me to leave this time, left on my own. I just like Shane more than Baigo/SR :)

Too bad you had to get screwed over to finally realize this lol. Well, better later than never!

Baigo should be grateful to you for being a legitimate BF mod last age which in the end granted him the #1 spot. Of course, Im sure he believes it merely due to his "KoC awesomeness".

On Topic:
Anyone wish to comment on how this happened in the last few days I haven't payed attention. Orcs+max technology+ dynamite..... or sells?

Trinsic-SR SA: 6,022,545,453

Baigo
13th December 2009, 12:24 PM
Too bad you had to get screwed over to finally realize this lol. Well, better later than never!

Baigo should be grateful to you for being a legitimate BF mod last age which in the end granted him the #1 spot. Of course, Im sure he believes it merely due to his "KoC awesomeness".

On Topic:
Anyone wish to comment on how this happened in the last few days I haven't payed attention. Orcs+max technology+ dynamite..... or sells?

Trinsic-SR SA: 6,022,545,453

WTF lol.... blazed barely did a shit as battlefield mod. AcidGlow always did all the job. Blazed did contribute to my win, as the rest of the SR members. However, he didnt give the most important contribution.

blazed420
13th December 2009, 12:25 PM
WTF lol.... blazed barely did a shit as battlefield mod. AcidGlow always did all the job. Blazed did contribute to my win, as the rest of the SR members. However, he didnt give the most important contribution.

I like how you only remember the last month of the Age compared to the other few months where I was the only one doing the job. And again you show your ignorance. GG :)

jog1
13th December 2009, 12:31 PM
Drama!!

OMG you left SR after I gave you a 125mil gold sell!!!

Oh well I guess it just shows people were right that you were not really someone to trust with a trickle because you change chains too much.

but I can't denie your a pretty good KoC player!

Rasputin
13th December 2009, 12:34 PM
blazed now i'm sad, you didn't join me :(

blazed420
13th December 2009, 12:34 PM
Drama!!

OMG you left SR after I gave you a 125mil gold sell!!!

Oh well I guess it just shows people were right that you were not really someone to trust with a trickle because you change chains too much.

but I can't denie your a pretty good KoC player!

I love drama :)

It is part of the reason I left. The trickles were decided on day one and then Baigo change his mind since it won't go up past Kab... then I wake up today and see there are people all the way up the chain lol... doesn't matter now, I'll just try to expose Baigo for the ignorant mexican he is from now on :P


blazed now i'm sad, you didn't join me :(

Sorry :(

Rasputin
13th December 2009, 12:36 PM
you can still correct this problem blazed :P

fistsofthor
13th December 2009, 01:00 PM
I don't see how this is any real surprise. blazed will hop until he is out of rocks to hop to. so long as he grows enough, he will provide growth to his commander and people will probably be willing to put up with his lack of loyalty.

As for blazed not being very helpful in SR, would you all care to elaborate?

Also, whats this with the trickle position change?

Kegger
13th December 2009, 01:47 PM
still just beta. trickle might change. but again blazed shows his true colors. :)

dohh
13th December 2009, 02:31 PM
haha this was so unexpected right

blazed420
13th December 2009, 04:08 PM
still just beta. trickle might change. but again blazed shows his true colors. :)

Indeed. Not sure how many times I'll have to tell people but it is still a surprise for some. I play for myself, but as long as I grow and it trickles to my commander, someone will always take me in :)

That's just how it goes when you're an awesome player like myself. I don't know any other way to explain it. :)

jog1
13th December 2009, 04:11 PM
I love drama :)

It is part of the reason I left. The trickles were decided on day one and then Baigo change his mind since it won't go up past Kab... then I wake up today and see there are people all the way up the chain lol... doesn't matter now, I'll just try to expose Baigo for the ignorant mexican he is from now on :P



Sorry :(

When we saw there was no trickle, there was no point in putting the chain like it was supposed to be. I had a trickle, but I didn't even think of keeping the chain as planned when I saw the changes, so I went under Zeus.

Those players over kab don't get shit from the chain. zeus growth doesn't go pass kab.

Oh and btw Baigo isn't the one that decided to put those people over kab, he was pretty pissed off when he learned we had accounts over kab. If you would have been there since start of Beta you would have known this.

LordCounter
13th December 2009, 05:13 PM
its just a game but what ive seen over the ages is that these sort of moves show a player's personality lol. if you dont wanna be with SR ppl why accept growth/sells etc :shifty:

ah well your choice i suppose. cant get much lower than getting no respect at all on the internets but as i said, your choice lol

http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/103801/Cyanide+and+Happiness/
for you blazed :p

BillyCrack
13th December 2009, 05:44 PM
Who cares?

SR.. TFE.. What's next? RFDL? FF? hahaha

fistsofthor
13th December 2009, 07:17 PM
Who cares?

SR.. TFE.. What's next? RFDL? FF? hahaha

Well, baigo has already been in LaCN and tS and SR, so I doubt he will be going back to those, although its possible that those chains would take him back.

In any case, who has the top sell and invested values?

shane?

blazed420
13th December 2009, 09:08 PM
its just a game but what ive seen over the ages is that these sort of moves show a player's personality lol. if you dont wanna be with SR ppl why accept growth/sells etc :shifty:

ah well your choice i suppose. cant get much lower than getting no respect at all on the internets but as i said, your choice lol

http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/103801/Cyanide+and+Happiness/
for you blazed :p

Lol'd at the link you posted. It's funny because I would do the exact same thing. :D

fistsofthor
14th December 2009, 12:12 AM
Lol'd at the link you posted. It's funny because I would do the exact same thing. :D

you would be happy to let your brother die? You would have a smile on your face as death went to claim your brother? That is cold.

As for the TRD, I hear that the whole technology thing is really helping to cause a big difference between the top tier accounts and the lower ones.

Seneca
14th December 2009, 12:35 AM
Best thing is I can now sab Blazed without getting an alliance after me, if I want to :)

Anywho, I'm very glad that an 'awesome player' like blazed is in my chain. I mean, trickle from #1 account, stealing morale from clanmates and that gives you an awesome rank #16, damn, SR, WHAT DID YOU LOSE?!

powdered_donuts
14th December 2009, 01:01 AM
rofl, I wanna say my oppinion about blazed, if he ever comes over to ts i'm guna go right under him until he leaves ts :D I think he's awesome, I love the honesty factor to

everyones all like blazed is unloyal, wah wah wah, and blazed is all like, yea, I am, so whats up? :P

capkop
14th December 2009, 04:09 AM
I've noticed some accs having funny growths. Something was said about some posts back but I thought I'd properly track and analyse it today and it simply doesn't add up so I hope the respected players could give me an explanation.

I'm talking about VictoryRose, Shane, scooter and iPot. The most peculiar of those is VictoryRose so I'll give you my analyses on him:

24h ago his size:
245,961

Now his size:
303,982

Growth:
58,021

1280 of which is unit production, leaving 56,741 growth from clicks.

his morale: 930. His clickstats didn't go up today and he lost some 3k morale, leaving 53k+ growth.

his chains' morale:
his top officer has 1,601 morale, his other 11 officers have -100. His officer had 1k'ish morale when I made first check, clicked 6k times last 24h, meaning commander could have gotten 2.5k from him, which leaves 50k+ growth undecided yet. So how do 11 -100 officers make up for 50k+ growth for the commander? That means they must have been clicked 100k times. That's 9k clicks on each officer. They can each be clicked 5 times a day, so even with all priority spots on all recruiters and anyone that made clicks today clicked all officers accounts 5 times, there would still have to be 1800 people clicking on recruiters. CF had 80 users last 24h, leaving 1720 for YAR but YAR only has had 1078 users whole age of which most dont click daily. So even assuming all best conditions (VictoryRose's chain doesn't have priority spots on YAR and nowhere near all 1078 YAR users clicked today) he still comes out waaayyy short. So if by all most favorable conditions for him he cannot possibly have such growth, then how would it look if condtions were as they truly are?

Mercs isn't an explanation either. I know he had 1k'ish at least 24h ago, and has less then 3k now so they probably stayed the same, and could be max 2k added.

Like I said earlier, I could give a simular analyses on shane's, scooters' or iPot's growth but that would be more of the same. Anyhow, I'm sure this is all legitly possible and that I'm overlooking something, so by posting this I was hoping any of you 4 could reply and explain :)

bravo
14th December 2009, 05:04 AM
Very interesting read indeed, Slasher!


Maybe like FoT also Blaze should have his own thread where everybody can spam. hate and love him (rather then in here).

Ferrous
14th December 2009, 05:32 AM
Now the picture becomes clear
Shane did not tweak his clicker for himself he did it for his officers :D
everyone who wants growth for free join shane
just like age 10
sucks.....

Shane-
14th December 2009, 05:45 AM
Slasher-X,

The public ClickFeast isn't really used that much, as you can see, and it's mainly kept online because it does have a small userbase, not everyone knows about public alternatives.

Growth isn't all about morale and clicking, Like Ferrous has pointed out twice, Age 10 they wasn't any public recruiters, they wasn't auto-clickback, and they certainly wasn't any provided by the admins or the community to help people grow, yet we managed it fine.

A lot of us use private means or out of game means to generate what we want, which is no different than LaCN having their private Suitcase+Private Recruiter, And its no different to how we've played the game before, and how we play other games.

For example; With Ruins of chaos, http://www.ruinsofchaos.com/stats.php?id=7695 (You get 50 solider bonus per new officer), we randomly pump BLs member count up by 30-40 when ever we want, simply because we can, and can do it legitimacy, sure 95% of his officers look 'fake' there, but you can ask any mod at RoC all accounts are legit, legit IPs, legit e-mail addresses, legit sign up times, none using proxys, It's a bit of fun to cause chaos and confusion.

And with Ruins of chaos, I doubt you'll find any of us willing to share our knowledge on aspects of the game, much like here, theys always that mystery we don't plan on providing the answer, why would we, It gives us a unique advantage for the first weeks of an age/beta.

The internet is more than just Kings Of Chaos, ya' know :p


Shane

LordCounter
14th December 2009, 05:54 AM
Slasher-X,

The public ClickFeast isn't really used that much, as you can see, and it's mainly kept online because it does have a small userbase, not everyone knows about public alternatives.

Growth isn't all about morale and clicking, Like Ferrous has pointed out twice, Age 10 they wasn't any public recruiters, they wasn't auto-clickback, and they certainly wasn't any provided by the admins or the community to help people grow, yet we managed it fine.

A lot of us use private means or out of game means to generate what we want, which is no different than LaCN having their private Suitcase+Private Recruiter, And its no different to how we've played the game before, and how we play other games.

For example; With Ruins of chaos, http://www.ruinsofchaos.com/stats.php?id=7695 (You get 50 solider bonus per new officer), we randomly pump BLs member count up by 30-40 when ever we want, simply because we can, and can do it legitimacy, sure 95% of his officers look 'fake' there, but you can ask any mod at RoC all accounts are legit, legit IPs, legit e-mail addresses, legit sign up times, none using proxys, It's a bit of fun to cause chaos and confusion.

And with Ruins of chaos, I doubt you'll find any of us willing to share our knowledge on aspects of the game, much like here, theys always that mystery we don't plan on providing the answer, why would we, It gives us a unique advantage for the first weeks of an age/beta.

The internet is more than just Kings Of Chaos, ya' know :p


Shane
i thought cheating meant having an unfair advantage over others.

capkop
14th December 2009, 06:01 AM
Slasher-X,

The public ClickFeast isn't really used that much, as you can see, and it's mainly kept online because it does have a small userbase, not everyone knows about public alternatives.

Growth isn't all about morale and clicking, Like Ferrous has pointed out twice, Age 10 they wasn't any public recruiters, they wasn't auto-clickback, and they certainly wasn't any provided by the admins or the community to help people grow, yet we managed it fine.

A lot of us use private means or out of game means to generate what we want, which is no different than LaCN having their private Suitcase+Private Recruiter, And its no different to how we've played the game before, and how we play other games.

For example; With Ruins of chaos, http://www.ruinsofchaos.com/stats.php?id=7695 (You get 50 solider bonus per new officer), we randomly pump BLs member count up by 30-40 when ever we want, simply because we can, and can do it legitimacy, sure 95% of his officers look 'fake' there, but you can ask any mod at RoC all accounts are legit, legit IPs, legit e-mail addresses, legit sign up times, none using proxys, It's a bit of fun to cause chaos and confusion.

And with Ruins of chaos, I doubt you'll find any of us willing to share our knowledge on aspects of the game, much like here, theys always that mystery we don't plan on providing the answer, why would we, It gives us a unique advantage for the first weeks of an age/beta.

The internet is more than just Kings Of Chaos, ya' know :p


ShaneSo you sign up 800+ officers under VictoryRose and then delete them again? And do simular things on the other 3 mentioned accs? Wouldn't the stats ID's of the newly registered members show gaps of thousands instead of 100's then? Besides that the growth you make doesn't come in batches of 50 but comes gradually so this isn't the case here.

It cant be a private recruiter of TFE boosting such growth either. There's less then 15 members in TFE who have positive morale, and 1 who has more then 2k morale. 15 accs dont exactly make up for the roughly 1.5k accs missing to click VictoryRoses' chain 5 times.

So still waiting for an answer :)

Screwdriver_LaCN
14th December 2009, 06:11 AM
It became interesting now :P I wanna know just what is the explanation of the growth Slasher-X showed in above.If everytying is correct I am sure there is some logical explanation, right?

AxEHeaD15
14th December 2009, 06:18 AM
Oh noes! Let's all accuse TFE of cheating! Srsly, not only is it just a beta, but Shane is one of the smartest people i know, and I am sure he figured out a legit way to work the system. And why would he tell you how he did it and give away the secret of his awesome growth? I am 100% sure that Shane would have gone to teh admins to find out if something is legal or not. I was in chain with him for 2 ages, and we have become close friends, so cut out all the accusations of cheating.

Also, about Blazed, it is his account, his right to go anywhere, he is not a bad guy, it is just a game, and who cares if he isn't loyal? He is an awesome KoC player, I think most of you hate on him because you are jealous that you don't know how to work people.

And for whoever was naming what chains Baigo was in you forgot RF under me ;) When he won the age last age.

-AxE

Shane-
14th December 2009, 06:38 AM
Slasher, You can wait for an answer all you want, although as I said, I doubt you'll find me, or anyone else telling people the best ways to grow at starts of ages, simply because it isn't logical for us to share.

It's something we've done since age 10, And its why we always tend to have a pretty decent start to ages, If the mods or admins had problems with what we do, then Rocco would've told me no at the time, and if he changed his mind, I doubt he'll have let me win age 10, Or to have let Scott finish age 11, or age 12, If he allows something for 3 ages, then I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about us having the same fun in the beta. (And age 13 when it starts). If he does have objections, he knows where to find me.

And to a side note, I didn't see you or LoP complaining when you guys got mass-free growth in the age you where in-chain with TFE? you guys just sat back and enjoyed it as much as we did.

And no, We didn't make thousands of accounts (Lol), I highly doubt that would be legit here, The roc example was just an example of half of RoC claiming BL are illegal and full of fakes, where in truth each account is a legit account confirmed by RoC mods.

And, as I've said, We always get a decent start, at start of the age, then it goes down hill a little as people get bored of said game, If you've -took- much notice to our growths, you'll notice as time goes by, the growth spirits we had are also slowly declining, simply because it gets boring and repeative to do something the same for a half length of time.


Shane

Seneca
14th December 2009, 07:04 AM
Seriously Slasher, you don't come off as if you actually understand what you're talking about by mentioning the morale amounts lol.
Autoclickback isn't enabled, thus, morale is no factor _at all_ in growth, as long as it's positive.

DL-JayBagz
14th December 2009, 09:27 AM
Slasher, You can wait for an answer all you want, although as I said, I doubt you'll find me, or anyone else telling people the best ways to grow at starts of ages, simply because it isn't logical for us to share.

It's something we've done since age 10, And its why we always tend to have a pretty decent start to ages, If the mods or admins had problems with what we do, then Rocco would've told me no at the time, and if he changed his mind, I doubt he'll have let me win age 10, Or to have let Scott finish age 11, or age 12, If he allows something for 3 ages, then I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about us having the same fun in the beta. (And age 13 when it starts). If he does have objections, he knows where to find me.

And to a side note, I didn't see you or LoP complaining when you guys got mass-free growth in the age you where in-chain with TFE? you guys just sat back and enjoyed it as much as we did.

And no, We didn't make thousands of accounts (Lol), I highly doubt that would be legit here, The roc example was just an example of half of RoC claiming BL are illegal and full of fakes, where in truth each account is a legit account confirmed by RoC mods.

And, as I've said, We always get a decent start, at start of the age, then it goes down hill a little as people get bored of said game, If you've -took- much notice to our growths, you'll notice as time goes by, the growth spirits we had are also slowly declining, simply because it gets boring and repeative to do something the same for a half length of time.


Shane

What i got from that is as the age goes on there is less total clickers equaling less growth for tfe :P
YAR FTW

Seneca
14th December 2009, 10:31 AM
What i got from that is as the age goes on there is less total clickers equaling less growth for tfe :P
YAR FTW

Because DL rigged YAR and TFE didn't rig CF? ok.

DL-JayBagz
14th December 2009, 11:12 AM
Because DL rigged YAR and TFE didn't rig CF? ok.

YAR isnt rigged at all thanks we get our growth from morale.
YAR is set up so you click your own chain before others.

Seneca
14th December 2009, 11:15 AM
YAR isnt rigged at all thanks we get our growth from morale.
YAR is set up so you click your own chain before others.

Like I explained before, morale doesn't give growth.

SleepingDragon
14th December 2009, 11:42 AM
And with Ruins of chaos, I doubt you'll find any of us willing to share our knowledge on aspects of the game, much like here, theys always that mystery we don't plan on providing the answer, why would we, It gives us a unique advantage for the first weeks of an age/beta.

There's the answer for the haters, but the truth is that no one really needs to answer to those accusations.

If you think CF is "rigged," don't use it. If you think YAR is "rigged," don't use it. It's pretty simple, and if you STILL think someone has an unfair advantage, TGF and Hellboy have overtaken Shane's growth so the "rigging" hasn't worked out too well. Quit crying and settle it on the battlefield.

powdered_donuts
14th December 2009, 02:01 PM
For example; With Ruins of chaos, http://www.ruinsofchaos.com/stats.php?id=7695 (You get 50 solider bonus per new officer), we randomly pump BLs member count up by 30-40 when ever we want, simply because we can, and can do it legitimacy, sure 95% of his officers look 'fake' there, but you can ask any mod at RoC all accounts are legit, legit IPs, legit e-mail addresses, legit sign up times, none using proxys, It's a bit of fun to cause chaos and confusion.


Your a smart guy and all Shane, but here's the thing that I cannot agree with you about, ROC and legit are two very seperate terms that have nothing to do with eachother.

Pinturicchio
14th December 2009, 02:27 PM
[22:28:16] <~Shane> Pinturicchio, you want an AC?
[22:28:23] <&Pinturicchio> no i dont play seriously..


w000t.. All of tfe is autoclicking!!
(Sould spark things up a bit ehy)

Dragon_Reborn
14th December 2009, 02:39 PM
Like I explained before, morale doesn't give growth.

I'm sorry, but I call bullox on that. I've gotten all my growth from morale this beta. For those who actually work to get some morale to get legit growth (or actual clicking officers), without reffering to other, easier methods (like running an exe.file), this would become evident. I guess. Or I might just be clueless, your pick lol!

I'm not calling out names here, but I would love to see koc cleaned up some. To Shane, I'm not a 110% certain of what you're doing to get that growth, I've decided to stay out of this stuff. If you're cheating, you probably will continue to do so, until caught, and if you're doing something legitimate, then it's your right to keep that secret. So I don't think we would get an answer in either way, and I don't think any speculation on this will lead to anything on GUA, other than flaming. Anyways it's something to take notice of, and to be talked about with the admins or whatever, not here imo.

About HB's growth, it's certainly more legit than some others, or at least attained in the way the game is meant to be played.

Peace out, and remember, it's only a game :P

dohh
14th December 2009, 02:40 PM
16:27 &Pinturicchio • Shane
16:28 &Pinturicchio • ask me if i want a autoclicker


whoa what is going on today ????

fistsofthor
14th December 2009, 03:01 PM
[22:28:16] <~Shane> Pinturicchio, you want an AC?
[22:28:23] <&Pinturicchio> no i dont play seriously..


w000t.. All of tfe is autoclicking!!
(Sould spark things up a bit ehy)

In this case, he is probably referring to automatic creations, found here:
http://shane.aeru.org/ac/

Seneca
14th December 2009, 03:18 PM
I'm sorry, but I call bullox on that. I've gotten all my growth from morale this beta. For those who actually work to get some morale to get legit growth (or actual clicking officers), without reffering to other, easier methods (like running an exe.file), this would become evident. I guess. Or I might just be clueless, your pick lol!

What I meant to say is if you have 100k morale or 100 morale at the moment doesn't really matter. The only place where it may matter is the in game recruiter cause I think that one gives people with higher morale sooner, but on normal recruiters it doesn't matter if you have 100k or 100 morale cause one click is one click.
It used to make a difference last age cause most clicks were autoclickback and that gives a certain % of your morale back, but at the moment it doesn't matter.

I don't really have solid proof of the above, but by logical thinking and watching people (doh was sitting on 20k+ morale and wasn't growing more than some other guy with no officers and 2k morale) I got to this conclusion..

capkop
14th December 2009, 03:54 PM
What I meant to say is if you have 100k morale or 100 morale at the moment doesn't really matter. The only place where it may matter is the in game recruiter cause I think that one gives people with higher morale sooner, but on normal recruiters it doesn't matter if you have 100k or 100 morale cause one click is one click.
It used to make a difference last age cause most clicks were autoclickback and that gives a certain % of your morale back, but at the moment it doesn't matter.

I don't really have solid proof of the above, but by logical thinking and watching people (doh was sitting on 20k+ morale and wasn't growing more than some other guy with no officers and 2k morale) I got to this conclusion..You'll have to recheck that. AICB is still, like it was last 2 ages, 0,25% per 5 mins.

Pinturicchio
14th December 2009, 04:01 PM
In this case, he is probably referring to automatic creations, found here:
http://shane.aeru.org/ac/

In this case, Im referring you to my sig.

xAre
14th December 2009, 04:58 PM
[22:28:16] <~Shane> Pinturicchio, you want an AC?
[22:28:23] <&Pinturicchio> no i dont play seriously..


w000t.. All of tfe is autoclicking!!
(Sould spark things up a bit ehy)

(00:15:09) (Query:Shane) Need an AB?
(00:17:54) (Query:Are-) No thanks, got my own.

All of TFE is autobanking as well!
:O

fistsofthor
14th December 2009, 08:51 PM
In this case, Im referring you to my sig.

well, your sig says little about the current top rankers.

In any case, I am impressed that LR has managed to hold onto the rank #1 spot for so very very long.

can we get her stats and value posted here?

Seneca
14th December 2009, 11:18 PM
You'll have to recheck that. AICB is still, like it was last 2 ages, 0,25% per 5 mins.

No, it isn't on yet, like at the start of last age.

I just checked, and didn't gain the soldiers I was supposed to get from morale in 10 minutes (at least, I didn't gain them at once, was refreshing training page).

Semper.Fidelis
15th December 2009, 03:40 AM
Oh noes! Let's all accuse TFE of cheating! [...].

Previous statements were not accusations they were observations. Everyone who has basic math skills can refresh various TFE stats links and make the following observations:

Usually growth is achieved by transformation of Morale to soldiers by either you or your offies, UP or buying mercs. UP and Mercs can be verified/falsified by recons. Morale induced growth by the change of morale. Under this assumptions the observation of enormous growth w/o a corresponding change in morale and tff of your offies is inexplicable.
Logic dictates the conclusion that the growth of said accounts is not achieved by the regular means.
In that case the only logical conclusion is that this growth was achieved by either exploiting a glitch/bug or abusing a feature contrary to its intended function. Both are not legit regardless of the alledged Admins consent, because Admins are bound by the rules as is everyone else. They are in fact illegit but obviously never the less tolerated. so /care and move on.

Seneca
15th December 2009, 08:23 AM
Actually, like I said a hundred times before and no one proven me wrong yet:
Soldiers are gained by converting morale to soldiers on your own account, and just by clicks on your officers. You'll still gain a soldier if your officer gets clicked twice, even if they're at -100 morale and they'll barely get clicked more often by having high morale.
And again, autoclickback isn't on.

Semper.Fidelis
15th December 2009, 08:46 AM
Under this assumptions the observation of enormous growth w/o a corresponding change in morale and tff of your offies is inexplicable.

BuGz
15th December 2009, 09:03 AM
Does seem somewhat suspicious, but honestly if they were cheating in a way as simple as creating/deleting a ton of accounts under each other, the admins/mods would've banned them by now.

Seneca
15th December 2009, 09:17 AM
Under this assumptions the observation of enormous growth w/o a corresponding change in morale and tff of your offies is inexplicable.

It is perfectly explicable. If morale doesn't change, they must be getting clicked. Or I'm growing in some other way than clicks on my officers.
Honestly, it's not that hard, try using your brain.

Also I wouldn't call my growth enormous lol.

Semper.Fidelis
15th December 2009, 11:02 AM
Obviously reading is not your strength, let me rephrase the observation:


Under this assumptions the observation of enormous growth w/o a corresponding change in morale and tff of your offies is inexplicable.


Shane grows 1k in 20 mins. At the timeframe I observed he had UP320 and Morale ~2,5k. In 20 minutes he grew 1k soldiers, while losing 12 morale, not buying mercs and all of his offies combined grew less then 100. Please explain. Same goes for numerous other TFE accounts btw.

On a sidenote. Getting clicked doesn't change morale? That really revolutionizes the CF thing. Since that is new to me, how does morale decrease then, if there is no auto clickback and getting clicked doesn't change your morale?

Stormrag3
15th December 2009, 11:05 AM
It's something we've done since age 10, And its why we always tend to have a pretty decent start to ages, If the mods or admins had problems with what we do, then Rocco would've told me no at the time, and if he changed his mind, I doubt he'll have let me win age 10, Or to have let Scott finish age 11, or age 12, If he allows something for 3 ages, then I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about us having the same fun in the beta. (And age 13 when it starts). If he does have objections, he knows where to find me.
Shane

You lied to him at that time, remember?

---

I can't believe you're all still playing KOC, and I can't believe either how am i reading this 'thing' again.

--

My regards to my fellows of LOP & UL.

Sto12mrage.

capkop
15th December 2009, 11:13 AM
It is perfectly explicable. If morale doesn't change, they must be getting clicked. Or I'm growing in some other way than clicks on my officers.
Honestly, it's not that hard, try using your brain.

Also I wouldn't call my growth enormous lol.Your growth was top5 growth untill I posted about it. Since then TFE's growths died out so I took growth of a few days back to yet again show my point:

Hellboy:
459991 Sunday 13th of December
399397 Saturday 12th of December
323515 Friday 11th of December
+136476
30k+ morale on HB for that period, over 100k+ morale under direct officers (MightyVikings had a steady 50k-60k untill today)

TGF:
602390 Sunday 13th of December
535691 Saturday 12th of December
469877 Friday 11th of December
+132513
10k+ morale on TGF, 135 officers, many with decent morale.

Shred:
432025 Sunday 13th of December
377406 Saturday 12th of December
323096 Friday 11th of December
+109929
Avarage of over 20k morale on Shred, 54 officers, many with decent morale.

You:
280747 Sunday 13th of December
217699 Saturday 12th of December
168559 Friday 11th of December
+112188
Less then 10k morale for you+your whole direct chain added together, 12 officers.

Yet despite that you grew slightly more then RF main, and nearly as much as #1 and #2 growth, yet looking at numbers your growth should be more like 10k in those 2 days together. Can you understand why I'm thus interested in how your growth is nowhere near what is expected?

And please dont reply to this again saying morale ammounts dont matter and that there is no autoclickback, cus there is, and like I said before, its 0,25% each 5 mins. I suggest you refresh an account with 10k+ morale at xx:05 or xx:10 for one minute long, and somewhere you'll notice the morale dropped by 0,25%.

powdered_donuts
15th December 2009, 11:35 AM
You lied to him at that time, remember?

---

I can't believe you're all still playing KOC, and I can't believe either how am i reading this 'thing' again.

--

My regards to my fellows of LOP & UL.

Sto12mrage.

This game's gotten interesting again ....... yet I'm kinda surprised I'm playing this game again. :/ Like after age nine I thought I had quit, and when I started again at the very end of age ten, by the end of age 11 I thought I had quit, and than I started sometime during age 12 again ......... this is like smoking :/ omg, i'm addicted to a game that does nothing but takes some of my time up :(

nice siggy btw, that's actually really neat to see :)

BloodBullet
15th December 2009, 12:04 PM
Your growth was top5 growth untill I posted about it. Since then TFE's growths died out so I took growth of a few days back to yet again show my point:

Hellboy:
459991 Sunday 13th of December
399397 Saturday 12th of December
323515 Friday 11th of December
+136476
30k+ morale on HB for that period, over 100k+ morale under direct officers (MightyVikings had a steady 50k-60k untill today)

TGF:
602390 Sunday 13th of December
535691 Saturday 12th of December
469877 Friday 11th of December
+132513
10k+ morale on TGF, 135 officers, many with decent morale.

Shred:
432025 Sunday 13th of December
377406 Saturday 12th of December
323096 Friday 11th of December
+109929
Avarage of over 20k morale on Shred, 54 officers, many with decent morale.

You:
280747 Sunday 13th of December
217699 Saturday 12th of December
168559 Friday 11th of December
+112188
Less then 10k morale for you+your whole direct chain added together, 12 officers.

Yet despite that you grew slightly more then RF main, and nearly as much as #1 and #2 growth, yet looking at numbers your growth should be more like 10k in those 2 days together. Can you understand why I'm thus interested in how your growth is nowhere near what is expected?

And please dont reply to this again saying morale ammounts dont matter and that there is no autoclickback, cus there is, and like I said before, its 0,25% each 5 mins. I suggest you refresh an account with 10k+ morale at xx:05 or xx:10 for one minute long, and somewhere you'll notice the morale dropped by 0,25%.


good point, i'm really curious

Seneca
15th December 2009, 12:14 PM
So how often do I have to post that morale doesn't matter.

Another 200 times?

I've refreshed my account for like 15 minutes now, I'm sitting on 13k morale, didn't notice any autoclickback


Anyway, obviously were not going to share where we get our growth. I can assure you Rocco knows about it and it's his decision if it's legit or not. As long as we're still here, you can trust it's legit :)

BuGz
15th December 2009, 12:30 PM
Also-- I'm pretty sure we already covered that if you have officers with -100 morale, and they get their link clicked twice, they will not grow, but you will.

Somebody doesn't seem to be grasping that.


Not saying that's where they're getting massive growth, but people have been posting not understanding that.

Lopina
15th December 2009, 12:35 PM
So how often do I have to post that morale doesn't matter.

Another 200 times?

I've refreshed my account for like 15 minutes now, I'm sitting on 13k morale, didn't notice any autoclickback


Anyway, obviously were not going to share where we get our growth. I can assure you Rocco knows about it and it's his decision if it's legit or not. As long as we're still here, you can trust it's legit :)

Before:
Army Size: 320,752
Army Morale: 14,633

After:
Army Size: 320,791
Army Morale: 14,605

Army Size difference: 39
39 out of 14633 is ~0.26%

-----------------------------------------------------------

5 minutes later...

Army Size: 320,794
Army Morale: 14,664

Army Size: 320,830
Army Morale: 14,628

Army Size difference: 36
36 out of 14664 is ~0.25%

So, I'd say artificial clickback is here, alright ;)

SleepingDragon
15th December 2009, 12:40 PM
Well, now that RF main and LOP main have overtaken Shane's tff, hopefully that shows everyone that CF's priority list or whatever IS revolving. It was just a coincidence that Shane's tff started to slip out of the race with TGF's when everyone started to question it. No big deal, let them do their strategy - it helps recruit officers looking for magic growth, and it's not like TFE/LGC will overtake LaCN any time soon. So, no real harm done. :thumbsup:

Seneca
15th December 2009, 12:41 PM
Well, now that RF main and LOP main have overtaken Shane's tff, hopefully that shows everyone that CF's priority list or whatever IS revolving. It was just a coincidence that Shane's tff started to slip out of the race with TGF's when everyone started to question it. No big deal, let them do their strategy - it helps recruit officers looking for magic growth, and it's not like TFE/LGC will overtake LaCN any time soon. So, no real harm done. :thumbsup:

It's not like we'll ever win an age again either :p It's just not the way we roll.

fistsofthor
15th December 2009, 12:47 PM
Your growth was top5 growth untill I posted about it. Since then TFE's growths died out so I took growth of a few days back to yet again show my point:

Hellboy:
459991 Sunday 13th of December
399397 Saturday 12th of December
323515 Friday 11th of December
+136476
30k+ morale on HB for that period, over 100k+ morale under direct officers (MightyVikings had a steady 50k-60k untill today)

TGF:
602390 Sunday 13th of December
535691 Saturday 12th of December
469877 Friday 11th of December
+132513
10k+ morale on TGF, 135 officers, many with decent morale.

Shred:
432025 Sunday 13th of December
377406 Saturday 12th of December
323096 Friday 11th of December
+109929
Avarage of over 20k morale on Shred, 54 officers, many with decent morale.

You:
280747 Sunday 13th of December
217699 Saturday 12th of December
168559 Friday 11th of December
+112188
Less then 10k morale for you+your whole direct chain added together, 12 officers.

Yet despite that you grew slightly more then RF main, and nearly as much as #1 and #2 growth, yet looking at numbers your growth should be more like 10k in those 2 days together. Can you understand why I'm thus interested in how your growth is nowhere near what is expected?

And please dont reply to this again saying morale ammounts dont matter and that there is no autoclickback, cus there is, and like I said before, its 0,25% each 5 mins. I suggest you refresh an account with 10k+ morale at xx:05 or xx:10 for one minute long, and somewhere you'll notice the morale dropped by 0,25%.

So, shane grew 50k in a day basically. He had morale on him, so the level of his growth via clicks on him could not have been the cause.

Shane now has 30 officers. I have seen one his recruit messages: it was not very good. He is also now in rank 1.

However, at the time, he had 12 officers when he was growing 50k a day from his officers getting clicked. That means he somehow discovered a legitimate way of getting his 12 officers to get clicked a total of 100k in a day.

100k/12=8333
8333/5=1667 players all decided to click his officers 5 times each.

Also, some new information for shane:
Army Size: 510,637
Army Morale: 603


Today is december 15th, and so he has grown 130k in 2 days. Thats 65k growth per day from officers, or a total of 130k clicks upon his officers per day. How he manages that is beyond me, but im sure he has some legitimate way of convincing tons of accounts to click all of his officers.

Seneca
15th December 2009, 12:59 PM
Or he cybers with Rocco to get soldiers added, why did no one think of this?

fistsofthor
15th December 2009, 01:03 PM
Or he cybers with Rocco to get soldiers added, why did no one think of this?

because sex with the admins would be considered an unfair advantage most likely. Although, its very possible that the admins would not have a problem with it (at a minimum, I would expect them to be aware of it).

In any case, i think its probably the officers getting clicked.

Also, based on the fact that I grow more or less than others with the same amount of officers, one of my guesses is that morale matters somehow in terms of growth.

BloodBullet
15th December 2009, 01:39 PM
if KoC would only make a decent recruiter themselves, then all the unfair advantages would be wiped away in seconds :D

powdered_donuts
15th December 2009, 01:41 PM
So, shane grew 50k in a day basically. He had morale on him, so the level of his growth via clicks on him could not have been the cause.

Shane now has 30 officers. I have seen one his recruit messages: it was not very good. He is also now in rank 1.

However, at the time, he had 12 officers when he was growing 50k a day from his officers getting clicked. That means he somehow discovered a legitimate way of getting his 12 officers to get clicked a total of 100k in a day.

100k/12=8333
8333/5=1667 players all decided to click his officers 5 times each.

Also, some new information for shane:
Army Size: 510,637
Army Morale: 603


Today is december 15th, and so he has grown 130k in 2 days. Thats 65k growth per day from officers, or a total of 130k clicks upon his officers per day. How he manages that is beyond me, but im sure he has some legitimate way of convincing tons of accounts to click all of his officers.

It doesn't make sense and it's probably just a glitch in the game shane found, and due to how good of a programmer he is i'm sure any glitch in the game has been found by him, however what's it matter?

Not like posting about it on gua is guna do anything, and not like telling the admins who already know how it's done and who's doing it care.

Your addicted to this game like the rest of us so just sit back and enjoy. :)

Semper.Fidelis
15th December 2009, 02:27 PM
Anyway, obviously were not going to share where we get our growth.

I personally couldn't care less. I wanted to make a point - being it is not legit - other then that I don't give a fuck if you, Shane or sogodly grow 1 or a trillion tff per day. Legit means it is a method of growing that is usable by and known to everyone. Otherwise and that is obviously the case it may be tolerated by Rocco the Pope or your grandma but it still is either exploiting or abusing. /end

Seneca
15th December 2009, 02:36 PM
I personally couldn't care less. I wanted to make a point - being it is not legit - other then that I don't give a fuck if you, Shane or sogodly grow 1 or a trillion tff per day. Legit means it is a method of growing that is usable by and known to everyone. Otherwise and that is obviously the case it may be tolerated by Rocco the Pope or your grandma but it still is either exploiting or abusing. /end

So having your own recruiter that clicks your own accounts first would be illegit for example?
Seems barely anyone won an age legitimately then..

blazed420
15th December 2009, 02:37 PM
So having your own recruiter that clicks your own accounts first would be illegit for example?
Seems barely anyone won an age legitimately then..

SR didn't need an inchain only recruiter to win last Age. Go figure? :P

Seneca
15th December 2009, 02:40 PM
SR didn't need an inchain only recruiter to win last Age. Go figure? :P

I didn't mean that, I just meant everyone used things that weren't public to win.. Even if it's an AC-style script.. or anything.

capkop
15th December 2009, 02:48 PM
So having your own recruiter that clicks your own accounts first would be illegit for example?
Seems barely anyone won an age legitimately then..A recruiter that clicks your own accounts?

I think we're getting somewhere..

On a more serious note, I thought my first post bringing this up already explained that orders of clicklists cannot explain it. Anyhow, it seems like you wont give an honest answer explaining how you truly did get this growth so might as well start discussing FF vs TFE/LGC and whether or not it'll have an impact on top ranks.

What is the max ammount of times an account can get sabbed daily?

fistsofthor
15th December 2009, 04:10 PM
well, TFE still has first, third and fifth.

My guess is that, with the current sab caps, that massing is going to have a bigger impact on wars than it has in the past.

MFnBonsai
15th December 2009, 05:00 PM
Accusations are not allowed on GUA....

If you all have problems with someone ingame then you have ways of getting it looked at....

In regards to morale and clickers you all should know roccos email by now if not by all means read my sig and use it....

SleepingDragon
15th December 2009, 05:25 PM
Anyhow, it seems like you wont give an honest answer explaining how you truly did get this growth so might as well start discussing FF vs TFE/LGC and whether or not it'll have an impact on top ranks.

They've answered more than generously, and each time it's been stated Rocco knows what is going on and allows it. As Bon said, you can email Rocco and ask him what the "answer" is. Then everyone will know and can move on.

In the meantime, you can have Lop/Lacn/your allies stop using CF, and if that's not good enough for you...TFE/LGC are in a war right now so you could take it into your hands to make sure they don't jump back in the tff race. No use calling people out and being passive aggressive when the battlefield as at your disposal. :deadhorse:

fistsofthor
15th December 2009, 05:46 PM
They've answered more than generously, and each time it's been stated Rocco knows what is going on and allows it. As Bon said, you can email Rocco and ask him what the "answer" is. Then everyone will know and can move on.

In the meantime, you can have Lop/Lacn/your allies stop using CF, and if that's not good enough for you...TFE/LGC are in a war right now so you could take it into your hands to make sure they don't jump back in the tff race. No use calling people out and being passive aggressive when the battlefield as at your disposal. :deadhorse:

I think you are forgetting how much fun it is to post on GUA. A person needs no reason other than their own enjoyment to post on GUA.

That said, I suppose we will be watching to see how this war effects the top ranking race. Also, since massing will likely be equally as effective as sabbing, and will likely use around the same number of turns, i suspect that the top ranking TFE accounts will need to buy up lots of mercs. this will likely impair their ability to buy morale.

SleepingDragon
15th December 2009, 06:26 PM
this will likely impair their ability to buy morale.

Do people still buy morale? And why would TFE need to buy morale when they already have good clickback or whatever?

Semper.Fidelis
15th December 2009, 06:35 PM
No use calling people out and being passive aggressive when the battlefield as at your disposal.

One does not exclude the other. Also you along with some other people still don't seem to get the difference between an accusation and an easily to verify fact. I suggest the use of google if the concept of observation and deduction continues to elude you.

To stay slightly on topic and end this useless discussion. My last recon of TGF

Strike Action: 1,627,717,645
Defensive Action 11,227,596,280
Spy Rating 467,154,152
Sentry Rating 900,275,464
Attack Turns: 3,511
Unit Production: 640

powdered_donuts
15th December 2009, 09:00 PM
One does not exclude the other. Also you along with some other people still don't seem to get the difference between an accusation and an easily to verify fact. I suggest the use of google if the concept of observation and deduction continues to elude you.

To stay slightly on topic and end this useless discussion. My last recon of TGF

Strike Action: 1,627,717,645
Defensive Action 11,227,596,280
Spy Rating 467,154,152
Sentry Rating 900,275,464
Attack Turns: 3,511
Unit Production: 640

wow :/ those tecnologies certainly shot him up there, i wont be able to sab him again *pouts* haha

MFnBonsai
15th December 2009, 09:01 PM
One does not exclude the other. Also you along with some other people still don't seem to get the difference between an accusation and an easily to verify fact. I suggest the use of google if the concept of observation and deduction continues to elude you.

Convince rocco they are cheating and they will be banned.... If rocco says they aren't then they won't be banned then it won't be fact it will just be an accusation you are throwing around....

You seem to think you know exactly what they are doing so go email him....

Since mods do not have access to the database and only rocco does it shouldn't be so hard for you to prove your theory....

AngelOfWildDog
15th December 2009, 09:59 PM
One aspect people seem to have forgotten is the friend/buddy list will hold 25 names and is automatically clicked first using the ingame KoC recruiter no matter how much morale a player has or doesn't have.
So, if everyone put their alliance commander and 24 of his officers in their buddy list and clicked that list using the ingame recruiter every day, then that would be a boost in TFF to the alliance.

fistsofthor
15th December 2009, 10:00 PM
One does not exclude the other. Also you along with some other people still don't seem to get the difference between an accusation and an easily to verify fact. I suggest the use of google if the concept of observation and deduction continues to elude you.

To stay slightly on topic and end this useless discussion. My last recon of TGF

Strike Action: 1,627,717,645
Defensive Action 11,227,596,280
Spy Rating 467,154,152
Sentry Rating 900,275,464
Attack Turns: 3,511
Unit Production: 640

Hey, no accusing people of cheating! While, you may think that unit production seems like it would cost a decent bit for this stage of the age, i totally think you are trying to stir up trouble.

for the record, i am not accusing TGF of anything. I am 100% positive that he payed the 10 mil or however much it costs to purchase the 640 UP legitimately)


Convince rocco they are cheating and they will be banned.... If rocco says they aren't then they won't be banned then it won't be fact it will just be an accusation you are throwing around....

You seem to think you know exactly what they are doing so go email him....

Since mods do not have access to the database and only rocco does it shouldn't be so hard for you to prove your theory....

i didnt notice an actual accusation coming from him. All I saw were the following statements:
1) So-and-so grew a lot
2) the act of a player with morale getting clicked and unit production were unable to explain even half of this growth
3) He is unaware of other ways to grow, and was confused

what happened: we informed him that an officer with -100 morale getting clicked twice will give the commander 1 soldier without adding to the officer's tff.

nothing there was related to cheating, he was simply unaware of legal an in-game growth mechanism

So, I suppose what i am saying here is that those facts were true at the time. now, we explained how things worked. Thatsomeone gets 100k clicks on 12 officers with -100 morale for 2 days in a row shows superb organization skills, and an awesome ability to motivate out of chainers to click the links of one's officers.

Sh4nnon
15th December 2009, 10:20 PM
Could some one tell me for sure is AI click back still there .. On one hand Lopina said its does exist while Seneca has been pointing out it does not . Who is right ??

powdered_donuts
15th December 2009, 11:06 PM
You seem to think you know exactly what they are doing so go email him...

I don't think anyone is saying they know exactly how some of the things going on work. It's more of everyone wishes that someone who did know would tell us.

Some want to know to see if it sounds legit to them, some like me, want to know just out of curiousity, and others want to know so they can use the advantages of the idea themselves if possable.

I realize no one is going to tell us, and that they would rather just leave us in suspense and never knowing, however it won't change the fact that the subject will come up over and over until it's been revealed who, what, where, how, and why.

So until than there will always be people with theories, people trying to figure out how, and people throwing accusations around. And it will usually come up on GUA.

SleepingDragon
15th December 2009, 11:31 PM
I realize no one is going to tell us, and that they would rather just leave us in suspense and never knowing, however it won't change the fact that the subject will come up over and over until it's been revealed who, what, where, how, and why.

KoC Admins can be contacted by email :-
rocco@kingsofchaos.com

He will tell you. There's no reason for Rocco to withhold what Shane/TFE/LGC have discussed with him regarding whatever means are used to gain good growth. Think about it, with all the time Rocco has put in trying to jazz KoC up, he won't say "Only TFE/LGC can use what they know because they found it, I'd rather not let everyone know the secret." That's dumb and would show favoritism, but seeing how Rocco has tried to keep the game fair - he'd put a stop to "phantom growth" if it was a true exploit. It's not something that's going to impact the #1 rank in Beta, LaCN has obviously found a way to overcome it, but hopefully getting the info for yourselves will get this thread re-focused on the other top rankers.

And so, Rocco will tell you or anyone that asks him if you know how to ask for it. Hell, maybe some of us already grew a brain cell and asked. ;)

Rasputin
15th December 2009, 11:43 PM
if you ask Rocco anything he's VERY forthcoming :P learn to ask questions ^5