Accounts Changed Due To KoC Exploit.

[MFnBonsai]

Today accounts that accumulated gold via accounts that were sold a few days ago have been adjusted.

The accounts in question were suspended briefly while changes to the accounts were made.

Once the changes were made the accounts were unsuspended.

[Blunt]

great job bon! that really needed to be done.

[Agent47]

how is this fixing done..is the sell off reversed fully???
if its done i think it is fair....

[jog1]

Hi

3 weeks ago, I sold off my KoC account tp spy and started sabbing and going in vacation mode. This was legal at the time and was the reason I sold my account to spy and started sabbing. The admins now changed the rules DURING the age to make that impossible.

So that destroyed my account. I want my account to be put as it was before it was sold off to spy. In no way are the admins supposed to change the rules during the age and that destroyed my account. So like the hacked accounts, I want it back. Its not my fault if KoC admins changed the rules DURING the age.

[xAre]

I'll restate what I said on IRC earlier.

(18:09:20) (Are-) Gem-: So they took their old policy and turned it around?
(18:09:31) (&Gem-) apparently
(18:10:38) (&Gem-) and what do you care anyway? you don't play anymore :p
(18:10:43) (Are-) just saying.
(18:10:56) (cliffhanger) lol Are-
(18:10:57) (Are-) remember everyone, when doing selloffs to your main, use a proxy :D
(18:11:05) (Johnn20) lol
(18:11:06) (Are-) someone catches it? Claim haxx and get your gold back
(18:11:09) —› mode: (Gem-) sets mode (+b *!*@127.0.0.1)
(18:11:09) —› This (*!*@127.0.0.1) ban affects: (Are-)
(18:11:10) —› kick: (Are-) was kicked by (Gem-) (just go away)


Way to go, everyone is now 100% secure against getting their selloffs stolen ;]

[DL-JayBagz]

Hi

3 weeks ago, I sold off my KoC account tp spy and started sabbing and going in vacation mode. This was legal at the time and was the reason I sold my account to spy and started sabbing. The admins now changed the rules DURING the age to make that impossible.

So that destroyed my account. I want my account to be put as it was before it was sold off to spy. In no way are the admins supposed to change the rules during the age and that destroyed my account. So like the hacked accounts, I want it back. Its not my fault if KoC admins changed the rules DURING the age.

You were using a function of the game as an exploit. So we who you sabbed would like our golds back thanks :)

[xAre]

You were using a function of the game as an exploit. So we who you sabbed would like our golds back thanks :)

Just cause the admins slap in features without thinking of exploits shouldn't hurt the users. The admins are trying too hard right now, they need to get back to their roots -_-

[capkop]

I'm glad admins fixed what had to be fixed for fairness sake.

[jog1]

You were using a function of the game as an exploit. So we who you sabbed would like our golds back thanks :)

It's been like that since I play (age 3). So if LaCN didn't go cry to the admins, you would have lost a lot more. Not my fault if the admins change their rules in the middle of an age.

Oh and btw, I'm kinda joking, I don't expect to get anything back, but I just want to show how stupid it his to change rules during an age and all.

[xjkryex]

Wait so let me get this straight?

The accnts that got banned during the whole exploit were restored.
1) MBagio and other sellers got all their gold back
2) The legitimate stealer's of the gold kept their gold

Now a day or two later they change their mind and now 1) Still holds true. But 2) changes?

Please correct me if im wrong but i just do see why they either A) Did this in the first place or B) Take the gold away from both parties?

[BloodBullet]

xAre you sure whine alot :/

Good job to the admins <3

[xAre]

Wait so let me get this straight?

The accnts that got banned during the whole exploit were restored.
1) MBagio and other sellers got all their gold back
2) The legitimate stealer's of the gold kept their gold

Now a day or two later they change their mind and now 1) Still holds true. But 2) changes?

Please correct me if im wrong but i just do see why they either A) Did this in the first place or B) Take the gold away from both parties?

Too scared to lose players from the already small userbase, therefor reacting to everyone who threatens to delete their accounts because they feel left out?


Good job to the admins <3

Agreed, you managed to fix an exploit that every basic PHP book tells you how to avoid in the first place<3

[Wake]

Hi

3 weeks ago, I sold off my KoC account tp spy and started sabbing and going in vacation mode. This was legal at the time and was the reason I sold my account to spy and started sabbing. The admins now changed the rules DURING the age to make that impossible.

So that destroyed my account. I want my account to be put as it was before it was sold off to spy. In no way are the admins supposed to change the rules during the age and that destroyed my account. So like the hacked accounts, I want it back. Its not my fault if KoC admins changed the rules DURING the age.

Yeah keep crying cuz u got owned for using your pussy tactics lol. You prolly think you're pretty cool, but actually you're a disgrace to the game and to your alliance. So I'll say it again : keep crying.

[avalon]

I don't why people are still complaining =)
From the other threads, it seemed like the main issue to most people (including me) was the fact that a bunch of gold basically got duped. To me, that issue has been sufficiently addressed. It's basically impossible to restore accounts to the exact state they would have been in if they hadn't received the hacked gold.

For instance, suppose I stole 25b from Frozen_Frosty. That's about 29k BPMs. That's enough for 9.8bil SA. I go out, hit a bunch of targets with my SA, and then the admins remove the 29k BPMs I bought from my account. Should they roll back the gold hits I made with that SA? After all, I couldn't have made them without that SA...

Given that, I think they've done a good job of satisfying the main issue raised by the playerbase, and I'd like to give them kudos for that.

[Scooter]

Hi

3 weeks ago, I sold off my KoC account tp spy and started sabbing and going in vacation mode. This was legal at the time and was the reason I sold my account to spy and started sabbing. The admins now changed the rules DURING the age to make that impossible.

So that destroyed my account. I want my account to be put as it was before it was sold off to spy. In no way are the admins supposed to change the rules during the age and that destroyed my account. So like the hacked accounts, I want it back. Its not my fault if KoC admins changed the rules DURING the age.


Kings of Chaos reserves the right to ban, suspend, delete, or modify accounts at any time for any or no reason.

Failure to adhere to the above posted rules and guidelines may result in account suspension or termination. Kings of Chaos reserves the right to change these rules at any time, without notice.

Shhhhhhhhhhh.

[the_hitman_9]

Doesn't say they have the right to change the mechanics of the age in the middle of it does it ?

Once an age starts, people have strategies based on the rules for the age. You can't just go change it because it bothers the rest of the players.
If tomorrow too many people whine about getting sabbed will they remove that too ? What if they decide to nerf it a whole lot when alliances are basing a whole age on a war they might do later on ? Do players have to take into consideration possible rule changes when they make their strategies now too ( which are based on admins caving in to incessant whining. )

Well at least the chaos is there ... that must've been the goal. Would be fun to have different rules every day.

But in all seriousness, anything Are- says has been scientifically proven to be right.

[jog1]

Yeah keep crying cuz u got owned for using your pussy tactics lol. You prolly think you're pretty cool, but actually you're a disgrace to the game and to your alliance. So I'll say it again : keep crying.

Like I said earlier, I was only joking and I know I won't get my account back and I don't want it back. Just wanted to get reactions and I can see your sad I sabbed LaCN. Saying I'm a disgrace to the game just makes it even funnier cuz it's a fucking game, get it? Who's crying? I'm only joking, your the one crying about vacation mode :P And btw I don't think I'm cool online. I can't care less what people think of me online.

anyways, have fun trying to be cool in your KoC world.

[Kegger]

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If tomorrow too many people whine about getting sabbed will they remove that too ? What if they decide to nerf it a whole lot when alliances are basing a whole age on a war they might do later on ? Do players have to take into consideration possible rule changes when they make their strategies now too ( which are based on admins caving in to incessant whining. )


What? Sabbing is a basic concept of the game, they will never remove it. I know you were making an exaggeration to prove your point as well. I believe that players should play the way the rules are, if they get changed in the middle of the game, BIG DEAL. Freaking deal with it. This is the first time that I've seen the admins do something this big mid age since i started playing, so it must have been a serious flaw in the game. They fixed it so that everyone benefits in the long run. almost everyone in this thread is bitching either about how unfair one thing was, or how unfair the opposite stance is. Stfu and play the game, if u don't like it, stop playing and stop posting here.

[Shane-]

I'll restate what I said on IRC earlier.

(18:09:20) (Are-) Gem-: So they took their old policy and turned it around?
(18:09:31) (&Gem-) apparently
(18:10:38) (&Gem-) and what do you care anyway? you don't play anymore :p
(18:10:43) (Are-) just saying.
(18:10:56) (cliffhanger) lol Are-
(18:10:57) (Are-) remember everyone, when doing selloffs to your main, use a proxy :D
(18:11:05) (Johnn20) lol
(18:11:06) (Are-) someone catches it? Claim haxx and get your gold back
(18:11:09) —› mode: (Gem-) sets mode (+b *!*@127.0.0.1)
(18:11:09) —› This (*!*@127.0.0.1) ban affects: (Are-)
(18:11:10) —› kick: (Are-) was kicked by (Gem-) (just go away)


Way to go, everyone is now 100% secure against getting their selloffs stolen ;]

To be honest, I can see this theory been tested, maybe not with a main account, but an account with decent value.


Shane

[Gem-]

They can try anyway... But if it's found that is what they did, I doubt they will get their account restored.

[xAre]

What? Sabbing is a basic concept of the game, they will never remove it. I know you were making an exaggeration to prove your point as well. I believe that players should play the way the rules are, if they get changed in the middle of the game, BIG DEAL. Freaking deal with it. This is the first time that I've seen the admins do something this big mid age since i started playing, so it must have been a serious flaw in the game. They fixed it so that everyone benefits in the long run. almost everyone in this thread is bitching either about how unfair one thing was, or how unfair the opposite stance is. Stfu and play the game, if u don't like it, stop playing and stop posting here.

You weren't around in age7 I guess?
Admins changed the wording of one rule, entire clans flooded GUA about it.


They can try anyway... But if it's found that is what they did, I doubt they will get their account restored.

If you're going to look shady on every selloff account that gets hacked last days of the age due to this being a possibility, then you can simply guess which accounts will be the prime targets for hackers in the same timeframe :]

[Shane-]

They can try anyway... But if it's found that is what they did, I doubt they will get their account restored.

And how do you plan on finding out if that is what they did?....

Hyperthetically speaking: An account is sold off, and it has a different IP in its logs. What do you do?...

He could claim his PC was hacked, He could claim his e-mail was hacked, He could claim that his wireless internet was tempered with, He could claim a real life friend did it, He could claim that... they are a load of things someone can claim to say that he had lost his account due to no fault of his own. If I remember rightly, Remco himself got hacked once as his e-mail address got hacked....

I'm unsure how you (A mod....) can truly find if an account was legit hacked, or it was an false hack. And these days.... well, everyone can see whats happening, hence why I say that someone sooner or later will claim to be hacked to see if the account is restored.


Shane

[Gem-]

I don't plan to be the one doing the investigating - lucky me :D

[jog1]

Didn't bon say they would only restore accounts that were hacked cuz of KoC flaw. So e-mail hacking et all wouldn't give you your account back.

[Shane-]

To be honest, I can see this theory been tested, maybe not with a main account, but an account with decent value.


Shane
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They can try anyway... But if it's found that is what they did, I doubt they will get their account restored.
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[4:40:am] <@DaemonSadi> weet Revenge Lugus 437,978 Humans 13,692,754,609 Gold 696
[4:40:am] <@DaemonSadi> weet Revenge Lugus 437,978 Humans 13,692,754,609 Gold 696
[4:40:am] <@DaemonSadi> weet Revenge Lugus 437,978 Humans 13,692,754,609 Gold 696
[4:40:am] <@DaemonSadi> weet Revenge Lugus 437,978 Humans 13,692,754,609 Gold 696
[4:40:am] <@DaemonSadi> weet Revenge Lugus 437,978 Humans 13,692,754,609 Gold 696
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[4:43:am] <+Adryan> Error
[4:43:am] <+Adryan> Invalid User ID
[4:43:am] <+Adryan> !link lugus
[4:43:am] <~SpiderPig> [KOC stats LINK] *** TURK *** lugus Has either Deleted, been banned(HAHAH SUCKED IN BISH), Gone on a "Business Trip" or legitimately gone on vacation. Happy Holidays lugus. *** TURK ***
[4:43:am] <~Thomas> sold and deleted
[4:43:am] <~Thomas> wonder who it was meant for

I rest my case.


Shane

[ArxSerpens]

Bon says sold by banker lol, and once again the gold it removed totally from the game. I cant wait for the day i see a sell, hit, and get to keep the gold -_-

[cowboy_from_hell]

the gold was removed from the game cause a banker sold it? :o

lol if my sell gets caught I'll just say it was my banker :p I will get nothing but the one who caught it won't either :p

[skullzandroses]

Bon says sold by banker lol, and once again the gold it removed totally from the game. I cant wait for the day i see a sell, hit, and get to keep the gold -_-

I thought the gold was only going to be removed if it was a game issue not a personal stupidity issue (ie giving out passwords, etc)?

[HoMiCiD3]

I thought the gold was only going to be removed if it was a game issue not a personal stupidity issue (ie giving out passwords, etc)?


Fri Apr 3 09 15:07:54 <Thomas> so am i going to lose my gold for hitting lugus?
Fri Apr 3 09 15:18:05 <rocco> yes
Fri Apr 3 09 15:18:11 <Thomas> seriously?
Fri Apr 3 09 15:18:15 <Thomas> this was not a game flaw
Fri Apr 3 09 15:18:31 <Thomas> you're using double standards
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:12 -gua2.cyanide-x.net:@#namelesswar- NameLess1s invited Adryan into the channel.
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:16 -gua2.cyanide-x.net:@#TFE- SpiderPig invited Adryan into the channel.
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:17 -Scooter- gua2.cyanide-x.net SpiderPig invited Adryan into the channel.
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:17 -SpiderPig- -gua2.cyanide-x.net- SpiderPig invited Adryan into the channel.
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:19 <rocco> if hijacking accounts is shown to have no personal gain it will become clear it accomplishes nothing
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:35 <Thomas> you're excuse for restoring mbaigo and illkeyone was that previous hacks were not game flaws (which some were) this was not a game flaw
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:48 <rocco> i didn't say we'd restore the account
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:51 <Thomas> if someone gives out their account information that is their own fault
Fri Apr 3 09 15:19:57 <rocco> i agree
Fri Apr 3 09 15:20:05 <Thomas> so you're just going to give and take gold from the battlefield all the time?
Fri Apr 3 09 15:20:51 <rocco> which stat would you like me to take back the gold from?
Fri Apr 3 09 15:21:00 <Thomas> strike action
Fri Apr 3 09 15:28:28 <Thomas> how can you prove that the account was legitimately hijacked?
Fri Apr 3 09 15:28:36 <Thomas> the guy probably did it himself to test you out
Fri Apr 3 09 15:30:25 <rocco> well sucks for him then, he's not getting his stuff back
Fri Apr 3 09 15:30:40 <Thomas> yeh but im losing it because he cheated you
Fri Apr 3 09 15:35:43 <Thomas> what are you going to do when all these accounts get "hijacked" and theres no1 left to play because you've got double standards?
Fri Apr 3 09 15:39:07 <Thomas> if i'm losing the weapon value of the gold hit i expect an attack turn to replace it

apparently admins don't care about having double standards.

[RoHaLoVeR]

If Lugus got sold by his banker, and Homicide hits him, then HoMiCiDe should keep the gold!

It's a fair hit made by Homicide, and Lugus lost his account because of his own mistake (instead of getting banned, he got sold, so either way, he lost his account =P).

It's fair that the "innocently hacked accounts" got their accounts back and that the gold of the hitters gets removed, but this was a solid legal steal made by Homicide!

PS: I'm not defending Homicide, he knows I don't really like him and have argued with him a few times, but removing Homicide's steal is NOT fair!

I would have posted the same thing no matter who intercepted Lugus's sell-off.

Before you know it, someone now goes selling 100k Morale, gets 6.5-7.5 bil gold for it, and then Rocco goes reversing the sell :S

I'll say it again, it's fair what Rocco/Bon/Gem did with the innocently hacked and the hitters, but it's NOT fair to reverse a legitly intercepteted sell-off!

[MFnBonsai]

I'll say it again, it's fair what Rocco/Bon/Gem did with the innocently hacked and the hitters, but it's NOT fair to reverse a legitly intercepteted sell-off!

it was not a legitimate intercepted selloff....

when i told those that were asking if he was hacked or not i said it looked like a banker sold him off.... well i was wrong at that stage because it wasnt....

The account that shared the same IP as lugus was apparently his bro-inlaw and it just so happens that that account was on an AB so i cannot say if lugus was or not since the account got deleted. Either way the 2nd account has been banned....

And the gold that was stolen was reversed and it will be reversed in future.... it should have been done ages ago but well times change and now it will benefit no one hijacking accounts since the gold will be removed....

You might have opinions on this subject but who cares really.... they hit accounts that shouldnt have had the gold out there so really it wasnt their gold in the first place....

[HoMiCiD3]

it was not a legitimate intercepted selloff....

when i told those that were asking if he was hacked or not i said it looked like a banker sold him off.... well i was wrong at that stage because it wasnt....

The account that shared the same IP as lugus was apparently his bro-inlaw and it just so happens that that account was on an AB so i cannot say if lugus was or not since the account got deleted. Either way the 2nd account has been banned....

And the gold that was stolen was reversed and it will be reversed in future.... it should have been done ages ago but well times change and now it will benefit no one hijacking accounts since the gold will be removed....

You might have opinions on this subject but who cares really.... they hit accounts that shouldnt have had the gold out there so really it wasnt their gold in the first place....
you didn't say that it was a hack because of a game flaw which is the reason that illkey and baigo got their gold back. Lugus lost his gold because he was cheating which makes my hit a fair steal, same for mnr getting sold in age 6, rocco said himself that those giving out information are just asking to be sold and that those kinds of hijackings would not be reversed.

Yet here i am without my 604mil and without the attack turn i used to acquire it.

[MFnBonsai]

you didn't say that it was a hack because of a game flaw which is the reason that illkey and baigo got their gold back. Lugus lost his gold because he was cheating which makes my hit a fair steal, same for mnr getting sold in age 6, rocco said himself that those giving out information are just asking to be sold and that those kinds of hijackings would not be reversed.

Yet here i am without my 604mil and without the attack turn i used to acquire it.

whether its a hack or not gold gets reversed from the hitter.... it wasnt legitimate gold put out on the battlefield for you to take....

and past ages mean nothing this is a new age things change....

[xAre]

whether its a hack or not gold gets reversed from the hitter.... it wasnt legitimate gold put out on the battlefield for you to take....

and past ages mean nothing this is a new age things change....

So 100% of all hacks end with the gold reinstated in the account?

[HoMiCiD3]

whether its a hack or not gold gets reversed from the hitter.... it wasnt legitimate gold put out on the battlefield for you to take....

and past ages mean nothing this is a new age things change....
prove it wasn't legit and not the guy just taking the piss for the sake of it like so many of threatened to do as a joke...

Doesn't take rocket science to see the guy is SR and know that this is a very possible scenario. If he gunna have bankers or con the admins then it's legit gold, and now it's been completey removed from the bf cos it wasnt put back into his account.

So it's a new age where admins give and take gold from the battlefield where it does/doesn't belong.

[JDX]

To be fair that seems ludicrous. If it wasn't lost due to game flaw then it should be Thomas's. With how much 'illegal' gold there is on the battlefield atm, and no true way of detecting/stopping ab's, how can you take gold and say its 'illegal'. I mean really, I guarentee there's at the very least 10 ab's running on various accounts atm and I'm willing to throw down cold hard cash you couldn't name me any of them.

I'm a slayer and If I start making decent hit's and they're taken from me because the user used an auto-buyer. I'll just sell and quit.

Oh wait, Why sell? You'll just delete my gold from whoever hits.

[Agent-of-Mayhem]

I'm a slayer and If I start making decent hit's and they're taken from me because the user used an auto-buyer. I'll just sell and quit.

Oh wait, Why sell? You'll just delete my gold from whoever hits.

All the people who wanted the gold stolen from the others reverse, now want it back. Such is the way of the world.

Deal with it. Stop your whining. It's just yet ANOTHER way the KOC Admins are fucking the game up.


Next time you get farmed, send Rocco an email at rocco@kingsofchaos.com and say "The gold he stole from my account last night was illegal as my AA states only hit 1 time a day, he hit 3 times and all under the amolount I asked for. Send me my moneys back."

[JDX]

I never said I wanted it reversed. If I had it my way baigel would be without his restore.


All the people who wanted the gold stolen from the others reverse, now want it back. Such is the way of the world.

Deal with it. Stop your whining. It's just yet ANOTHER way the KOC Admins are fucking the game up.


Next time you get farmed, send Rocco an email at rocco@kingsofchaos.com and say "The gold he stole from my account last night was illegal as my AA states only hit 1 time a day, he hit 3 times and all under the amolount I asked for. Send me my moneys back."

[conflag]

Yeah keep crying cuz u got owned for using your pussy tactics lol. You prolly think you're pretty cool, but actually you're a disgrace to the game and to your alliance. So I'll say it again : keep crying.


Admin post on KOC frontpage:
"While we like clever gameplay, vacation mode is intended for just that - people going on vacation. Enjoy the beach!"

He didn't call them pussy tactics. Don't be an asshat.

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Bon, I agree with the rule change, but shouldn't that have been a between age item to change? And, while we're changing things, why not use SSL? I am surprised the guys I work with haven't wiresharked my login credentials yet...

[Hibun_th]

get your fact right people, lugus had no banker.. man, he was farmed big time by everybody so stop whinning. The one who had theAB was brococious a ranked 4k account, the brother in law of lugus. So. STOP WHINNING, we are not. We understand that cant be proved so lugus was man enough to say it was fucked up but he couldnt do anything about it.

YOu should lose the gold, end of story.

[xAre]

get your fact right people, lugus had no banker.. man, he was farmed big time by everybody so stop whinning. The one who had theAB was brococious a ranked 4k account, the brother in law of lugus. So. STOP WHINNING, we are not. We understand that cant be proved so lugus was man enough to say it was fucked up but he couldnt do anything about it.

YOu should lose the gold, end of story.

Being farmed all the time isn't evidence against autobuyers :p
Just means the AB in question would be terrible.

[Hibun_th]

"The account that shared the same IP as lugus was apparently his bro-inlaw and it just so happens that that account was on an AB"

he never said Lugus was on AB, he said his brother in law was.. again.. get it right..

and i doubt an AB cant keep you from losing gold with a 2bill DA ...

[HoMiCiD3]

so if it was the brother in-law with the ab (which is irrelevant) how did lugus lose his gold without doing it himself? sure as hell wasn't xss as that's been fixed now?

[MFnBonsai]

get your fact right people, lugus had no banker.. man, he was farmed big time by everybody so stop whinning. The one who had theAB was brococious a ranked 4k account, the brother in law of lugus. So. STOP WHINNING, we are not. We understand that cant be proved so lugus was man enough to say it was fucked up but he couldnt do anything about it.

YOu should lose the gold, end of story.

I reveiwed the logs of Lugus and the only time he got attacked was when he sold morale.... besides a few hits here and there the account i can say for certain was on the AB as well....

He was not farmed by everybody it was more like he was farmed only when he sold morale....

[ArxSerpens]

"and i doubt an AB cant keep you from losing gold with a 2bill DA ..."

Are you joking? I've watched accounts with go from 2b DA, with 50-100m tbg, that never get hit, and always bank before they have enough to hit without being sabbed. As someone that watches most of the high tff accounts for people to hit, there are several obvious accounts out there that have stood out. 2 of them in the same chain, that until recently imo, were either banked by AB, or had people banking them, because they were online 23.5hrs a day, every day, for a month straight.
It happens, without the admins/mods being able to tell. People get away with it, because it cant be proven.

[Blunt]

Thomas, try and take yourself out of the direct implications of this situation.
would you still feel the same?

logically, you wouldn't- because relatively, you would be at a disadvantage to someone who took advantage of this gold.

the fact is- if the acct is allowed to be restored, the stolen gold MUST be removed from the game...

[MIATOLLAH]

Thomas, try and take yourself out of the direct implications of this situation.
would you still feel the same?

logically, you wouldn't- because relatively, you would be at a disadvantage to someone who took advantage of this gold.

the fact is- if the acct is allowed to be restored, the stolen gold MUST be removed from the game...

blunt... the gold that thomas stole, is not being returned to lugus' acct. Because his account was sold by someone using his login, and his acct was deemed to be using an autobuyer.....

[Blunt]

i made a mistake as i thought all cases were similar.
when bagio's acct got hacked, i assumed the same thing happened to everyone else's (illkey)
in light of this... i agree that someone's something is in someone else's something.
but it also raises a morale question, a judgement call.

should people who's gold is misbegotten be privileged to the rest of the players?
or should their cheatorizing validate the remove of their influence from the the game entirely?

i kinda seem some similarities to that who financial crisis thing now...

[Conpmana]

If it was hak gold u lose it so stfu KOC is a just a huge mess of cheaters and the ones whining the most are at the top of the cheating list........................

[HoMiCiD3]

I reveiwed the logs of Lugus and the only time he got attacked was when he sold morale.... besides a few hits here and there the account i can say for certain was on the AB as well....

He was not farmed by everybody it was more like he was farmed only when he sold morale....
I farmed him a little, he was a good farm.

Thomas, try and take yourself out of the direct implications of this situation.
would you still feel the same?

logically, you wouldn't- because relatively, you would be at a disadvantage to someone who took advantage of this gold.

the fact is- if the acct is allowed to be restored, the stolen gold MUST be removed from the game...
i'd feel exactly the same, admins have double standards and it annoys me to no end.

If it was hak gold u lose it so stfu KOC is a just a huge mess of cheaters and the ones whining the most are at the top of the cheating list........................
not excluding yourself.

[Hibun_th]

bon, he was farmed as thomas says above.

and sorry sadi, i ment "can"

therefore.. if he was being attacked, and had an AB and 2bill da, lol, either there was no AB, or his AB never worked, so i would say its the same as not cheating...

[MIATOLLAH]

bon, he was farmed as thomas says above.

and sorry sadi, i ment "can"

therefore.. if he was being attacked, and had an AB and 2bill da, lol, either there was no AB, or his AB never worked, so i would say its the same as not cheating...


not cheating?

just because your autobuyer fails doesn't mean you're not cheating, it just means that your autobuyer sucks and you're not cheating very effectively.

just because your banker sucks and sells your account, doesn't mean you aren't cheating. It means that you were cheating and now you have 0 weapons to show for it.

[Hibun_th]

lol mia, lets put it this way then

if you have a gun, adn you WANT to rob a bank, does that imply that you are a thief?

and btw, lugus didnt have a banker.. his gf lives right across the street and he banked form there, big deal.

[MIATOLLAH]

lol mia, lets put it this way then

if you have a gun, adn you WANT to rob a bank, does that imply that you are a thief?

and btw, lugus didnt have a banker.. his gf lives right across the street and he banked form there, big deal.

It's not about having a gun or having an autobuyer, it's about using it, which Bon said he did.
And If having and using a gun is illegal... Then you are still a criminal...regardless of you intent.

If you have an autobuyer, but you still get hit, you are still cheating LOL

As is sharing your login info, regardless of where you bank from.

Why are we still talking about this.. Back to clickin

[Hibun_th]

lol, fear often acts pointlessly ^^

[HoMiCiD3]

i wouldnt be blaming fear quite honestly, icesword has been around the traps. I was suspicious of his recruiter the very first time it was advertised so if this is true it doesn't surprise me, but surely there are better accounts using WR than lugus.

[Agent-of-Mayhem]

MFnBonsai Says:
besides a few hits here and there the account i can say for certain was on the AB as well....

Enough said on that subject. You cheated. You got hacked. You lose.

[MFnBonsai]

bon, he was farmed as thomas says above

Oh yes i would tend to believe everything Thomas says....

Especially since he has super powers and can see shit i cant ;)

[DikInABox]

yeah but atleast he wasn't bss.

[xAre]

Its too bad that Lugus' post was deleted. I dont think enough people read it clearly and caught what he said was actually going on. I can tell ya I would be afraid to use WR.

Unauthorized morale transfers? Self deleting in-game pms? what is that? a tax? users fee? fuck that.

Are the users of WR informed (even in small print) about this?

Makes me wonder why his post was deleted and by whom?

Last time I checked accusing someone of cheating wasn't legal on this forum, so it wouldn't be hard to guess where his post went.


Dunno why my post was deleted.
Ever read the rules?


# Do not point out cheaters/hackers. If you have someone you believe is cheating/hacking or are receiving PMs with inappropriate content and which for them to be penalised for their immaturity, email rocco@kingsofchaos.com with the situation you are suffering, other players involved (if any) along with evidence of your claim.

[onedoubleo]

Even if there was a cheating accusation there, the whole morale being transfered and pm then deleted should be looked into.
It isnt cheating but people using the wr recruiter should be informed IF this is happening

[xAre]

Even if there was a cheating accusation there, the whole morale being transfered and pm then deleted should be looked into.
It isnt cheating but people using the wr recruiter should be informed IF this is happening



# Do not point out cheaters/hackers. If you have someone you believe is cheating/hacking or are receiving PMs with inappropriate content and which for them to be penalised for their immaturity, email rocco@kingsofchaos.com with the situation you are suffering, other players involved (if any) along with evidence of your claim.

The rules already cover it.


It isnt cheating but people using the wr recruiter should be informed IF this is happening
If it really is the case, then yes, people deserve to be informed.
However, ONE POST from someone who claims it happened to him isn't enough. Seemed to me like he was merely trying to put WR in a bad light, nothing else.

[atti]

Ok, enough of this, drop the cheating accusations NOW, Gua is not a place for them and original topic was set to discuss accounts changed in koc, please stick to it from now on.