Complaint thread

[Blankwindow]

This is simply for you to make a post for the DS admins or other mods to see if you think your character was denied or changed wrongly.

Please post it like this.

1. URL to your char thread
2. The problem you have.*
3. Mods who worked on your thread


* IF the problem is something like your money has been changed when you didn't spend it you don't need to argue against it.

BUT if you feel your char was denied wrongly or that a change to it was made wrongly, state what is wrong and why you think it is so. Then a mod(s) or admin(s) will check into your complaint. You only get one appeal per char approval if it is concerning denial or skill changes.

If your money or items have been changed and you can prove it. (ie show us where the missing item or money came from) we'll see who changed it and ask. so we can figure out the problem.
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A few rules for this section.
1. Do not post here more than once about a character.
2. Do not post anything here that is off topic. if you do it will be a warning.
3. DO NOT flame the mods or staff because your mad.
4. Do not post concerning other peoples chars

[ChaosLight]

http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=8608

This is something I should have caught earlier. In the PM about my Sais, I got this:



3-Pronged Claw: Copper-100g Bronze-200g Iron-300g Silver-400g Steel-500g Black Tinted Steel-600g Gold Tinted Steel-800g
Sais aren't three pronged claws. They're daggers with very slightly elongated quilions. If that's what you meant by 3-pronged claw, fine, no biggie, but it sseems that calling this (http://www.bynoon.com/movie31.html) three-pronged is a bit of a stretch.

Edit: If the case happens to be found in my favor, upgrading the bronze one to iron would be fine, as 2*250 (cost for two iron daggers) still comes to 500

Normally a mod who didn't work on the profile would answer complaints. but since this isn't one that can be biased is just a dispute about classification i'll think about it. Because technically said are just long thin daggers with unique hand guards...

sorry i don't remember who did the priving if it was me sorry for the mistake if it was someone else they may just not be as famliar with weaponry as me. and are sorry as well. your right i'll edit your profile now.

[Jin_the_Legend]

It's no mistake. Wolve or Blank sent you that pm and compared it to the 3-pronged claw by my request.

See if the weapon/item you request is not in the Continental Shop we try to find a comparable item to match the price to. If there is nothing that is quite like it in the shop then they have to come up with a reasonable price for the item you request.

Although a 3 pronged claw is not a definite match it is similar to the Sais you requested. Therefore I had them compare the price of the 3 pronged claw to the Sais you wanted.

Just to make it clear, you were approved with Sais, not the 3 pronged claws (they were just the comparable price item). That clear things up?

My words exactly - Wolve

[ChaosLight]

Oh I understand, I just wasn't sure sais are closer to claws than daggers, but whatever.

[Revan]

I don't know if this may has been mentioned before but I have a slight complaint about the mods behaviour in someone else’s char thread. I mean, you guys are mods, you have the ability to edit posts. Then why don't you just add messages like: 'I'll take this one' or 'This one is mine' into the post itself? Now you spend one post just on saying the same message. That is, when you respond in a normal way. Some tend to reply with a whole barrage of smileys and some say nothing at all (I won’t call names). Guys, this can just be considered spam and just because you’ re moderators doesn’t mean that you have the right to spam in someone else’s char thread. Okay I think I’ve made my point clear, awaiting your reaction.

[Blankwindow]

considering we are people we like to have fun. and usualy us that do the smiles is to give yall a laugh. as to the noting well if i can't think of nothing i post ...

anyway the reason we make a post instead of editing is because someone may not pay attention and notice if a mod has edited they will be working on the post so we post so that it can beeen seen and not missed.

[Jin_the_Legend]

Revan, although Blank has already explained why we make actual posts in the Char profile threads I do understand the concern about spam posts.

I'll address that issue with the DS Mod Staff.

[Nesuke]

This is more an enquiry than a complaint....

I don't want to pressurise you guys to do this but I would greatly appreciate it if someone would approve my character....

Wolve and Blank have taken on the task of (as said before) spamming the thread with "I got this", but I haven't seen a note of approval or disapproval yet!

Blank snapped at me when I asked him to approve it and said "I will have it done within a day", but I have now been waiting 14 days.

Again, this isn't me being nasty or horrible to anyone, I don't want to argue about it, I was just speaking the truth about what I would like done about this and what has already happened.

14 Days!

[Wolve]

Yes, I'd like to comment on that. As my signature showed, I had some unexpected business to attend to. I was catched by surprise by this and wasn't able to come on for a couple of days before I could put it in my signature. After I put it in my signature, I was gone for another couple of days.

Furthermore, you posted your character without it being done and you had to PM us after it was done. This DOES delay the whole process, because we tend to make a thread and deal with it after the character gets posted, but if we have to wait for a PM and the PM comes, we usually have something else on our minds and.. well, shamefully stall the assignment.

However, we are now working on it. My sincere apologies for this, I hope you understand that Real Life (omfgholycrapwtfdude it exists!!) can be a bitch and that it just was.


p.s.: If Blank says a day... I don't think you should believe him. Timezones and stuff usually tend to make it a couple of days. Honestly, we're working on it now though.

Had Wolve not been hit with life and been on when he normally was we would have had it done in a day. as well as if you post a char app without haveing it done when it gets you are ready you will probably be last on the our lists of profiles were working on.~ blank

[lord of storms]

When some one posts an uncompleted thead requesting more time, perhaps to prevent this, the mods shouldnt call out who gets it until they are ready, the problem will be that once ready how does the creator show hes ready? I sujest the poster posts in his own forum saying hes ready causing the thread to go topwards. Then the 2 mods can claim it, and there wont be this delay.


That, or in wolves case, the job can be passed down to another mod through PM. *Im not gona fight for you guys to implament this, because the people who do post b4 ready are causing problems so its understantable, but these are sujestions to help prvent this*


I feal your pain too Nesuke, just not as much ive been waiting 4days *my no-life heart is dieing w/o this! lol* The only thing id like right now is if you guys arnt working on my forum, then can I still edit it? If its ready for judgment, but you guys arnt gona jugde it for a while I wouldnt mind touching it up while I wait. *makes every single letter somthing diffrant! YEY!*

[Callan]

Actually I too have my complaints and suggestions. I'm usually not the one to complain, but here goes. I've noticed that a lot of the things that get done around here take a really long time. A few days ago, T'L opened back up for testers and I was amazed with the speedy approval I got. It took 5 hours, no kidding. Around here there is a whole process with claiming threads and getting multiple mods on it to check for things. I don't really think that is necessary. Honestly, if you chose good moderators, they will make good unbiased decisions. DS has at least one Mod on every continent, and then Blank on character approval. If he can't handle it alone to leave the other mods to run their continents, then I'm afraid this system has some flaws that need to be taken care of before it should have opened.

Don't get me wrong, I love DS and how different it is, but some things are just taking too long. There aren't enough people with approved characters, and I think that is an issue for gameplay. Thank you in advance for understanding my issues.

[Blankwindow]

Well that was what people said about the first TL, but if i remember correctly it had some corruption issues. And i'd rather be safe than sorry and make sure everything is done right. Hell the reason we have two mods is to have two view points.

For instance there was this one profile where i wanted to take some money off for grammar and spelling. The other mod didn't agree with me so we called in someone else. the other person agree with the other mod so i was veteod.

and generally that is how the system works.. Check and balances more or less. Which would you rather? An extremely fast car that is prone to breaking down or a trusty but slow car that goes 300 thousand miles with only haveing to do basic maintence.

Me i'll take the reliable car.

[lord of storms]

Its not the speed when mods are working on it that im worried about, the problem is that if wolve claims a char, and becomes extreamly buisy with no time on his hands that means the chars aproval is screwed. I think the two mods thing is good, but if some 1 like wolve cant follow through with his claim, then he should pass it to another mod whos free to judge. Id rather have jin, and blank judge my guy than wolve and blank if wolve is crunched on time making the progress on my char take longer than it would with jin.

its not wolves fault, but i dont think that because hes uncapable of judging that any one he claimed should have to wait, when other mods are free to judge in his place.

[Jin_the_Legend]

Alrighty lets see here...

Lord of Storms and Nesuke, my best suggestion to give both of you is this. Don't post unfinished character profiles. There's no tactical advantage in getting them claimed faster as you can see already. Although I do not believe the policies need to be changed any, I will however look into both of your characters personally. If Blank is waiting on Wolves reply on them, I will take Wolves place and get them approved (so long as Blank has it to that stage in the approval process).


Callan, I completely understand your fustration. However Blank brought up a very valid point. He remember correctly that the original T'L relied on one Mod to approve characters. This method prove faulty and corrupt.


Honestly, if you chose good moderators, they will make good unbiased decisions.

Each of the mods in the original T'l were trusted as is the DS staff. But given the freedom and no input from other moderators people...including mods can become biased. Requiring two mods for DS Char's and 3 for DS Mod Char's is to ensure there is no biased decisions being made.

Allowing more then one person to give their input on a character profile allows us to feel we've done the best we could. AND to give the rper waiting for approval the sense of security that they will recieve an unbiased decision. Remember we are spending this time on your characters so we make sure everyone is on the same slate and to ensure that everyone enjoys DS to the fullest.

There is an entire forum in DS that's dedicated to rpers char profiles. Regular members can not see it, but any Mod on Gua can. Callan, you may not have looked in there but even you can see we've spent 56 threads and 347 posts in there discussion characters and what changes need to be made and how.


There aren't enough people with approved characters, and I think that is an issue for gameplay.

Currently there are 34 characters approved to play within DS. Some of which are level 2 already. There are 7 total waiting to be approved. 2 of which are DS mods who are last on the priority list. Leaving 5. 2 have posted in this thread with incomplete threads when they posted, now knowing that that's not the best route to go. (But I'll see what I can do to help speed up the process). Leaving 3 waiting for approval. Not bad if I do say so myself, considering it takes 2 of us to approve rp characters.

At any rate I've explained why it's vital that we keep two DS mods approving each character, however I'll point out why DS must use this method when other rping systems may no have to.

The absence of numbers leaves a lot to the rpers imagination. Low, Moderate and High abilities are often misinterpreted, which is why we, the DS mods, must make certain everyone is playing with an equal amount of powers as the last char approved for DS was. The 34 playable rp characters is more then enough to begin a quest or spar in any continent....but as you can see not all 34 players are rping at this time. Why that is, i'm not sure. But if any are your friends I'd suggest pming them to get their butts in here and start rping. :)

Thanks for the suggestions and input Callan, Lord of Storms and Nesuke.

[lord of storms]

I understand that I am on the bottom area for judgment. I did that to better make my char. it is easyer to organize thoughts if your working on the final papper. also easyer to keep track of notes :-P but it did come with a price. I offered my solutions, and thanks jin for the consideration. I await judgment :-) till then....*walks off to kings of chaos* I will play another nerdy game! *reveals spectecals with pokemon stickers on the sides, theres a small bandage holding the broken halves together, and a harry potter tatoo has recently been placed on the wearers forehead. To make matters worse, the person/me, is hanging out with other nerds, and has even gone beyond kocand is now ALSO playing utopia, making insane calcs that take an hour to finally make the right decision*

Also, I wouldnt mind this long wait, if i could still make some modifications. While Ive been waiting ive been studying others posts....I am way too strong and i know that. My char needs to be weakend but I cant weaken him the way I want to, while I am left to asume that my char is left alone. *when your obssesed like me each hour is like a day :-P* a progress report for the really long cases would be apreasiated bc if i can, id gladly make my page even more fancy, and balanced till The mods finally got to me :-)

[Blankwindow]

it would be hard to work on it if your constantly working on it don't you think.

[lord of storms]

Yes, but if your not going to work on it, from the sounds of it im on the back burner, then im asuming your not working on it, and are focusing on the people who are on the top of the list. If you ARE working on it, then by all means continue. But if im on the backburner, the mods making no progress on my char then it seems silly that I not be allowed to work on it. *I have no clue what you guys are doing behind the sceen, so I have no clue if your just keeping it locked till you guys decide to work on it, or if your doing tidbits*

[Jin_the_Legend]

I've taken Wolve's spot and have already suggested my changes I'd like to see, Blank has agreed to most of them except he simply needs to see the latest post I made in your char app discussion thread (not visible to you of course). You were not put on the back burner, Wolve was on the back burner, but ya know he had real life stuff going on. So yeah I took over. If I couldn't take his spot I would have unlocked your thread so you could edit your character. But again, Blank and I are already changing what needed to be fixed. Not to worry.

Look for your approved character as soon as Blank gets on. I'm sure he'll have no problems so my guess is, you'll have an approved character once Blank gets on. Your wait is almost over lord of storms. :)

your assumption was correct ~ blank

[Simplicity]

My only complaint is the fewer moderators approving profiles now. It's not just any profile that worries me, most can take two or even one. It's the flaw system which worries me, it has great potential to be abused. I've already seen it's workings in profiles, and it doesn't seem right for just one person to put their input and make it final.

If this should go in the suggestion thread, then by all means move it. As long as someone see's it.

[Wolve]

It's not common for one Mod to approve a Character, it is just so that people get approved faster. We tend to still go for two Mods discussing about the Character Profile in the Mod Character Approval Sub-Forum but because some people were kept waiting for over 10 days before a second Mod came and help them out, there was said that with an exception this 1 Mod/per Character could be used. We have all the trust of the world in each and every single Moderator in Divine Salvation, so abusing the Flaw System (for example) would still be very hard. Especially since Blankwindow (the main Character Approval Mod) is the harshest guy when it comes to that. So, don't worry, we'll all keep an eye out. Thanks for your concern though and if you do spot someone who has somehow sneaked past our defenses, please report so. We will then take fitting measures to get things right again. Don't be shy, please, we want to keep Divine Salvation clear..

Again, thanks for your concern.

[Bad_Kharma]

That and a character made through the flaw system still requires two mods to be approved ... so don't worry about that ...

[Anubis]

1. My character thread's right at the top of this forum... shouldn't be too hard to find.
2. Somebody totally n00berized my character profile. Leggo my Eggo. Everything in orange needs serious fixing. Plus I want to add in Flaws, assuming those aren't going to get poisoned by agent orange too.

Have some more poison lol. One of the other mods will be on this soon. ~ blank

EDIT: also for future refrence follow the complaint layout or you will be warned. (Sorry, I was going to go do it... but I forgot :icon9: .)

heres the link to his profile

http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=13384

[Hysteria]

What do you think is wrong with your characters changes?

[MichelD]

Low Gun Smithing: Using various metal parts and with the use of a blacksmith heath Jerihco can make somtimes make a crude gun. His knowlegdge of guns allows hims to know how to fire one, but due his lack of practice he is a very bad shot.

Low pyrotechnician: With the right equipment and materials Jerico can sometimes create gunpowder



Low Gun Smithing: Using various metal parts and with the use of a blacksmith heath Jerihco can make somtimes make a crude gun. His knowlegdge of guns allows hims to know how to fire one, but due (to) his lack of practice he is a very bad shot(=shooter).

Low pyrotechnician: With the right equipment and materials Jerico can sometimes create gunpowder.

Mistakes in bold, italics and between brackets. Also, knowledge allows to know sounds horrible IMO.

[Blankwindow]

Micheal for future reference do not post in here concerning other peoples chars.

and secondly yall can say my name your not going to get warned for saying who edited the post.

They're not? *checks rules book* ... awww, all my fun ruined - BK

[Anubis]

Uh... I know I'm not supposed to post in here a second time about a character, but Hysteria asked...
What I think is wrong about my character is the way the ability was split, the way they're organized, the way they're described, and basically everything. Since it's my profile, it'd be a lot better to PM me the changes or post it in the thread instead of just erasing my stuff and sticking new stuff in. Also, now that the Flaws thing is out, I'd like to stick in some of those if that's okay. And since I'm in lockdown until the gun matter gets cleared up...

[Blankwindow]

it is allowed when you are asked anubis.

Your skill was split because basically you had a 5 in 1 skill which were not going to allow. so we split it into two skills that covered what you needed but maintained the balance of the system.

as to pming you the changes we don't do that for anyone else unless asking a question so why should you get special treatment?

as to the way we did it. that is how we do it. we edit in changes whether subtraction, addition, or completely new. IN your case the last.

As to flaws i'll see if hysteria mind reopening long enough to do that.

but i doubt you will get your skil the way you want it because me and hsyertia discussed and came up with that way of doing it as well as BK didn't disagree so that is two mods and an smod who all agreed on the changed. I also asked wolve and a non ds mod to look they all said other than needed to fix the gramatical errors pointed out by michael there was nothing wrong.

so we will fix the spelling and gramatical errors and me and hysteria will decide if you can add in the flaws syetem now or wait till later down the line.

edit: also using your previous mod powers to find out enough to make this char is bs anyway but that is another topic all together.

[Anubis]

as to pming you the changes we don't do that for anyone else unless asking a question so why should you get special treatment?Maybe give everyone "special treatment." Maybe if you're so busy as to not bother contacting a member about his own profile, I can send you PMs for changes. If you're having a long, drawn-out approval process with moderators, you might as well include members, especially if you're going to erase their stuff. This place seems to have too much of a fascist attitude; the members don't serve the moderators, it's the other way around.


edit: also using your previous mod powers to find out enough to make this char is bs anyway but that is another topic all together."BS?" Bullshit? T'L had firearms and Jin's eloquently written DS stuff made no mention that the fact was changed. Not my fault. By the way, refresh my thought process: what's worse, using moderator powers to create a character, or using tester powers to steal someone else's ideas? Gee, that's a tough one.

You do realize I don't care how many moderators, Wolve, DS, or non-DS you ask. I came in assuming (optimistically hoping?) that this would be the kind of roleplaying game where the players are supposed to, well, play. Due to sheerly Mars being "in charge" and Hysteria seeming to be quite the good moderator, I'm still hoping I didn't just walk into Soviet Russia where a group of Jinnies are playing the part of Stalin. The profiles, writings, and functioning world should belong to the players, not the moderators. Because they made them. Now, I mean no offense or statement towards any certain individual, but to be honest, the audacious eagerness to erase my work and replace it with one's own without negotiation simply because you're a moderator demonstrates arrogance, beguiled elitism, and poor taste. If that's the way things work around here, please spare me further time and effort and tell me now.

[Bad_Kharma]

Maybe give everyone "special treatment." Maybe if you're so busy as to not bother contacting a member about his own profile, I can send you PMs for changes. If you're having a long, drawn-out approval process with moderators, you might as well include members, especially if you're going to erase their stuff. This place seems to have too much of a fascist attitude; the members don't serve the moderators, it's the other way around

Everyone has a different view on a character or how to adjust his own profile. It has been decided since the creation of DS, the mods in question would make the changes for you and indeed, leave you no choice in that. Why? Because DS mods do ALL characters and that way it is ensured all are equal and levelled.


"BS?" Bullshit? T'L had firearms and Jin's eloquently written DS stuff made no mention that the fact was changed. Not my fault. By the way, refresh my thought process: what's worse, using moderator powers to create a character, or using tester powers to steal someone else's ideas? Gee, that's a tough one.


I'm still hoping I didn't just walk into Soviet Russia where a group of Jinnies are playing the part of Stalin.

I'm not even going to comment on these, but take this kind of stuff off the boards. Thank you very much.


You do realize I don't care how many moderators, Wolve, DS, or non-DS you ask. I came in assuming (optimistically hoping?) that this would be the kind of roleplaying game where the players are supposed to, well, play. Due to sheerly Mars being "in charge" and Hysteria seeming to be quite the good moderator.

If a character is not ready to be played within the world of DS then so be it. It was agreed that guns weren't allowed yet and since your character uses guns, he cannot play in the realm of DS just yet. You can either play him without the abilities, don't play him at all until unlocked or make use of the flaw system like you yourself suggested. Or you can always make another one and when guns are implemented use your current one as well unlocked as a result of that.


The profiles, writings, and functioning world should belong to the players, not the moderators. Because they made them.

As explained above, this is how the DS system works, we change it for you to make sure everyone gets the same chances within the DS world.


Now, I mean no offence or statement towards any certain individual, but to be honest, the audacious eagerness to erase my work and replace it with one's own without negotiation simply because you're a moderator demonstrates arrogance, beguiled elitism, and poor taste. If that's the way things work around here, please spare me further time and effort and tell me now.

Now you gave yourself five or so skills in one, they saw that, they changed that and they did their job by doing so. Simple as that.

Now this is a complaint thread, not a discussion thread, if I see any more off topic comments in here as in: a reply to what I just said, I'll slap you with a warning for spam. Not because I fear your opinions, but because I can hardly imagine anything anyone would reply to this hasn't already been said or holds any relevance to a complaint about a your character.

The next spam post I see, will be dealt with accordingly (and hay, it rhymes)

If you want to discuss the DS system, take it to chat corner.

EDIT: Now as to the current system, I will have a talk with the mods about that ...

EDIT2: and yes I am aware of the irony that this post doesn't fit in this thread either -.- which is why this will probably be split off and merged with the general complaints thead ... but now I have other things to do ...

[Simplicity]

Well, I don't like doing this...

I've been waiting for 5 days now to get my character profile approved. It's a quick lookover, that's all, and there's been enough DS mods on in the past few to do it.

If no one else can do it, can you guys just let blank look it over? Sure there's the thing about biased judgements, but there's also the problem with time. I've got other things to do besides waiting around for approval - A tourny to finish, a clan to run... just some minor things.

Links in the sig.

[Hysteria]

Ye, sorry for the wait everytime i checked the forum i didnt scroll down when i saw the top ones down. Neway i posted in it so shouldnt take long.

[Darkhorse]

Normally I'm fairly laid back and don't like to be bothersome. I just like to be able to RP and enjoy the environment. However, it is difficult to do that if your character has not even been claimed. We will not mention the lack of discussion.

I do understand that moderators are busy, however...five days without even a "Mate, we will get to it ASAP"?

1. Character: Zanilith (http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=40895)
2. Problem: It has been five days since I posted this character and it is yet to be claimed.
3. Moderators Involved: None, which I would say may be part of the problem.

Out of interest, how long, generally, is the length of 'down time' a person will have before reasonably expecting to have a character claimed, discussed and approved, just so I know for possible future reference?

[Hysteria]

Thats not good, I will take a look at it now.

[LabRat777]

It's been nearly three days since I posted my profile. I know it's big but it's the only one waiting for approval. Also, just a note, I get the 300gp affiliate bonus because I deleted my character. Yay for BK.

1) It's at the top...
2) It's been nearly three days since I posted my profile.

Edit: I've slept two nights since I posted it, which to me means three days. But adding up the hours from the original post I guess it isn't as much as it seems like.

[Sir Hyde]

You posted it a day ago... Patience padawan. Someone will claim the profile soon enough.

[Wolve]

So sorry Labrat, I will go and take a look at it now.

Also, IM, please refrain from answering complaints. It's our job, not yours.

[Simplicity]

Two days (http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=42278).

Going on three.

Someone take a look pwease? Thanks.

[Wolve]

Took it.

Two days isn't much, but if you must you can complain about it.

[Earendil]

It's been 10 days since the beginning.

http://giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=43480

Also, I've been waiting 6 days for someone to come and essentially close it. It's basically done, but I'm waiting for something that I can't figure out.

PM's have also been sent a couple days ago, with no reply.

Kthx.

[Bad_Kharma]

It's being discussed in mod, there appear to be still some lose ends, that and your aproving mod went awol for a day or two. Internet's a bitch like that sometimes. Anyway, you know how painfully slow we can get sometimes, he should be getting back to you soon though. If not, I guess it'll be up to me.

[Simplicity]

I was told, in my latest character thread of Griz, that the arrows were seen as altogether doing high damage.

I've also requested that, if that is to be the persepective of my skill, that I should be allowed to change or create a new skill that reflects what I had originally intended, without the misinterpretations being applied as they are now. As is, this 'skill' only weakens my character further, which really contradicts the point of earning said skill.

Which is quite ridiculous, really.

Even moreso considering that arrows are individual projectiles, and that it's humourous to even suggest that they would all do a single amount of damage. It is not within my control which arrow hits, and which does not.

If one hits, is it still high? It is a percentage of damage?

This misintrepretation of opposing perspectives on my skill has not been explained to me, as it should be, and warns that I risk a deduction of score for doing so.

So, request granted?

Or is this misintrepretation to be fixed?

[Bad_Kharma]

Your skill is a high one, the effect of it can only do a 'high' amount of damage. So all your arrows combined can do high damage. Your skill allows you to split up your arrows and hit multiple enemies, if you want to make that stronger, you need to upgrade your skill, like it goes with everything else.

[Simplicity]

No answer was given.

Original phrasing of the skill suggests beyond reasonable doubt that each arrow was individual, and the damage was exponential. If that does violate any current rules and system in place, then it needs to be rephrased and not reinterperated.

Answer?

[Bad_Kharma]

Your skill said it did high damage, hence why it was approved, the only thing it did was split one arrow up in more arrows delivering high damage. A high skill does high damage, oh mi gosh no. We did not ask you to rephrase it, we though the phrasing was fine. That you rp it differentely is your problem which as usual, will be reflected in scoring.

[Simplicity]

Actually, the skill in question was stated doing "great damage".

Not high.

Clarification of exact power is considered "fluff" and so, was left out.

[Bad_Kharma]

Yes, and 'great' falls within the limits of what a 'high' skill can do, but a high skill is still pretty low on the scale of things since you can upgrade forever. So that great and high are pretty much the same thing.

[The_lord_of_dark]

Balabushka Lucasi (http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=70284)
Is this a joke or what? First of all I know Trollslayer can do tons better. Second of all the approval of this character is against the rules. There is no attitude or allignement. And if you get 300 gold for that all the rest should get 1000g for their character. Comon, wtf.

[Someone]

300 is the minimum dude. You can't get less even if you post "he's joe and he wields a hatchet"

Though if I were a mod I would've told him to work it out better before approving. It doesn't affect me, however, so I don't care either way. TS just wanted a dragon character, he doesn't need items since he's a dragon, though it's possible, which is why he did it quickly and easily.

[TrollSlayer]

True, Someone. There was no need for a good starting bonus. Its not like I was gonna buy my dragon a longsword or anything. And I believe the character creation has been more lenient as of late. Now, histories really aren't all that required so that you can basically build from the beginning of known history for your character. And as for attitude/personality, if not much is known of the character, wouldn't it be safe to say that just leaves room open developing that area of the character.

What does it really matter to you anyway L.o.D?

[The_lord_of_dark]

Well I just think it's not that appealing to new people browsing the forum to see if they would join as lately quite some do.

[Simplicity]

It just displays a lack of effort to the effect of wanting to create a good character with a backstory to supply motivations and reasons for behaviours or emotions or otherwise. It makes it seem as if you're just playing for statistics.

Perhaps that's what L.O.D. is trying to get at?

(If it is, I kinda agree)

But, it doesn't hurt me, so I don't mind.

[The_lord_of_dark]

It doesn't hurt me neither, but I just think it's not the good picture we want to give towards new members, because this is from an old member of DS.

[InsomniaticMeat]

I think you need a wake up call, LoD. Profiles with far less information than TS have been approved in the past, with the same minimum amount of gold. Other than this whole "picture" thing you're trying to create - People aren't going to judge DS on a character profile, they're going to judge it by the maturity and activity of its members. Not to mention their writing qualities.

[Simplicity]

"they're going to judge it by the maturity and activity of its members. Not to mention their writing qualities...."

... as also portrayed by their effort put into a character profile.

C'mon IM, it's just lazy.

[TrollSlayer]

So what if I create a character on a whim that I don't really give a shit about a starting bonus or an elaborate backstory for. I can RP the character however I want in the future to DEVELOP a storyline instead of it being pre-determined. If its such a disgrace to the DS community, then have a mod edit the title of the thread to: Balabushka Lucasi: Ignore this thread. It SUCKS ASS

They'll be sure to know that its not serious. But whatever.

[InsomniaticMeat]

"they're going to judge it by the maturity and activity of its members. Not to mention their writing qualities...."

... as also portrayed by their effort put into a character profile.

C'mon IM, it's just lazy.

Well, to be entirely fair, I didn't bother to scroll down.. Thusly didn't realize that was all >.>;

[The_lord_of_dark]

Simplicity I have a question for what you did here (http://www.giveupalready.com/showpost.php?p=1239232&postcount=8). If you don't agree other moderators judgement then I would like to see these quests be judged by another mod(not yourself as you are the one complaining about them) and not make a character lose 30 skillpoints with the simple explenation of: NEW rules(which don't affect previous judgements btw) and moderater errors. If you do this at least give the errors and the change in rules that affect the specific character. This shouldn't be a problem as you should have read all the threads too spot the judgement errors.

[Simplicity]

Actually LoD, I haven't even called the judgement's into question, because considering the strict rules of solo quests and judgement I'm sure much, much more than 30 skill points would be subtracted considering that most of the twenty nine quests (about twenty five if I recall) are single post solo quests of short length.

Shadow_ had been involved in a series of solo quests that were posted within minutes of each other, and the moderating team before Shadow_ had called him out on it and refused to allow this too happen, but once they were gone, it was free reign again. Since Shadow_ was non compliant in my request about NPC's, I had to go check his quest history and I found this series of closely timed solo quests (usually within minutes of each other) and found it against the rules of both then and now.

What we're trying to do is prevent abuse of the system, which was clearly happening, and instead fix it. If anyone else has done this, we will find it, and we will correct it.

Shadow_ also had an issue with skill points appearing where none were given (at last count there were roughly four), mostly for his pets where they did't participate in quests. Of course, there was then also the issue with NPC Items, and both of these caused further investigation into quest history - where his series of solo quest abuses was removed.

Go ahead and check previous attempts at multiple solo quests - BK doesn't allow them, and refuses to judge the thread.

Thanks for your concern though,

- Simp

[The_lord_of_dark]

Okay thanks for the information, but maybe it is more handy if you put that in there as well next time:). Sorry for the fuss

[Shadow_]

WTF it is not up to you to decide all of a sudden that new rules applied last year... I earned every skill point in my profile and I will fight you for them all you bastard.

[Simplicity]

So there's a shitload going on here, we might need a total revamp if OK'd by Ebiv.

Go for it.

We don't want any exceptions to this.

It's not up to me, it's up to him.

These aren't new rules, these are old rules.

BK just wasn't around to stop you.