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miked
4th February 2008, 01:29 PM
I understand the rule which states no sharing accounts. Could someone please tell me where in the rules it says that a family can not play from the same computer. I am a father of 2 and a husbnd and all of us were playing KOC untill the other day when someone accused us of being one person and now my 2 sons, my wifes and my account are now banned. Is it safe to say that KOC will only allow one account per house hold? And if this is the case I guess that the only way the four of us will be able to play is by breaking the rule and share one accont.


Mike
AKA d10nn3
Blitz
4th February 2008, 01:34 PM
Moved to the KoC Section. I recommend emailing Rocco@Kingsofchaos.com, and he'll look into it. Not sure how much time he takes these days, unfortunately, but if there's nothing to contradict what you're saying, then the bans will probably be overturned. Good luck.
miked
4th February 2008, 01:48 PM
Thank you for the info sorry for my spelling errors I have emailed him and now i will see what happens


Mike
pamdora
4th February 2008, 07:26 PM
For future reference let the koc admins know in advance that there are several people in the household playing. I have dealt with this issue for years and one time we were temporarily suspended while under investigation. They reinstated our accounts shortly after. It help also to have your alliance back you up by sending messages that each member is known and they can tell its not the same person.

Hope this helps and i am sure rocco will investigate your situation.
miked
5th February 2008, 05:55 AM
How do I contact the adims? I have looked on the KOC site but don't find anything.


Mike
Ady
5th February 2008, 08:32 AM
Rocco@Kingsofchaos.com
miked
5th February 2008, 11:38 AM
I thank you all for the help. I have emailed Rocco yesterday 2/4/08. As well as made a post for the ban in the box allowed when I try to log. I'll give it a few days and if I hear nothing back I will have to make a new name and Ill put in my AA that we are a family of 4 and due to the new rule that is not posted (only 1 account per household) we will be sharing this account then see how the moron the had us banned likes it when we attack daily.



Mike
thisisme
11th February 2008, 06:04 PM
I thank you all for the help. I have emailed Rocco yesterday 2/4/08. As well as made a post for the ban in the box allowed when I try to log. I'll give it a few days and if I hear nothing back I will have to make a new name and Ill put in my AA that we are a family of 4 and due to the new rule that is not posted (only 1 account per household) we will be sharing this account then see how the moron the had us banned likes it when we attack daily.
Mike

See the thread below in full, and especially see my last post on the page of url:

http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=62816

You'll get banned and will stay banned for many more reasons as Silver-Shadow also notes.

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miked
12th February 2008, 04:40 PM
hey guys,



My son and i ( jor-el94 and d10nn3 ) have been banned again for the same stupid reason that darmael believes that we are one person after we mass attack him like 10 times each and he couldnt take the heat but how would he know whom the family members were and msg my wife about my son and i about taking some " down time " so i belive that darmael is a admin which is an unfair advantage and he can ban whom ever he wants just cuz he doesnt like them so in this conclusion i DO NOT think he should be able to play KOC
Darmael
12th February 2008, 04:48 PM
hey guys,



My son and i ( jor-el94 and d10nn3 ) have been banned again for the same stupid reason that darmael believes that we are one person after we mass attack him like 10 times each and he couldnt take the heat but how would he know whom the family members were and msg my wife about my son and i about taking some " down time " so i belive that darmael is a admin which is an unfair advantage and he can ban whom ever he wants just cuz he doesnt like them so in this conclusion i DO NOT think he should be able to play KOC

Indeed, same stupid reason, but again, GUA forbids cheating accusations, so I will let the bannings speak for themselves.

As to my status as an admin, well, shh, don't tell anyone. Heck, it is my game, I make the rules, and I will ban or not ban whomever I like.

And for the record, no one has ever actually accused me of being able to play KOC.
Coldest
12th February 2008, 04:58 PM
don't fret, jor-el

you can always start another account (call it kal-el or lana lang) and start having fun right away
chaoticlife
12th February 2008, 05:01 PM
maybe the admins believe you really were cheating the first time and found more evidence to support the ban eg. selling between accounts or a pattern in the logins between the 2 of you or even more accounts on your IP. as for accusing ppl of having you banned or being able to ban you well I doubt anyone with that kind of power in KOC would be posting on GUA or messaging you in KOC .

and it is possible to have more then 1 person on an IP because my wife and I have been playing since age 4 without selling to each other or banking each other, we take the same chances of being attacked as any single player in the game .
miked
12th February 2008, 05:41 PM
Indeed, same stupid reason, but again, GUA forbids cheating accusations, so I will let the bannings speak for themselves.

As to my status as an admin, well, shh, don't tell anyone. Heck, it is my game, I make the rules, and I will ban or not ban whomever I like.

And for the record, no one has ever actually accused me of being able to play KOC.
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Darmael
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Originally Posted by miked
hey guys,



My son and i ( jor-el94 and d10nn3 ) have been banned again for the same stupid reason that darmael believes that we are one person after we mass attack him like 10 times each and he couldnt take the heat but how would he know whom the family members were and msg my wife about my son and i about taking some " down time " so i belive that darmael is a admin which is an unfair advantage and he can ban whom ever he wants just cuz he doesnt like them so in this conclusion i DO NOT think he should be able to play KOC

Indeed, same stupid reason, but again, GUA forbids cheating accusations, so I will let the bannings speak for themselves.

As to my status as an admin, well, shh, don't tell anyone. Heck, it is my game, I make the rules, and I will ban or not ban whomever I like.

And for the record, no one has ever actually accused me of being able to play KOC.
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Since u have admitted to being an admin, I would appreciate it if you could please unban my son's and my account and then both of us will leave BSS alone as long as you leave us alone providing you and BSS leave us alone... because u are an admin you should be able to just play the game without getting mad over retaliations against your own actions without becoming a "tyrant" of KOC power you should be able to have fun without "usurping" the fun of the game by banning players for getting upset with your actions for a silly random factor that had made my son lose the first attack placed upon you. So as I said before if you unban us we will leave you and your clan alone as long as you leave us alone there will be no reason to attack one another at all. There is no need for you to abuse the power of admin to suffice your needs in the game, so where is the fun in KOC? (An unfair advantage in the game)
miked
12th February 2008, 06:10 PM
coldest you dont understand my son had over 18k spies and senturies and i had over 21k spies and senturies the clicks arent comng in fast anymore and that would mean we clicked for nothing and i will not reclick all those men again
Darmael
12th February 2008, 09:14 PM
Since u have admitted to being an admin, I would appreciate it if you could please unban my son's and my account and then both of us will leave BSS alone as long as you leave us alone providing you and BSS leave us alone... because u are an admin you should be able to just play the game without getting mad over retaliations against your own actions without becoming a "tyrant" of KOC power you should be able to have fun without "usurping" the fun of the game by banning players for getting upset with your actions for a silly random factor that had made my son lose the first attack placed upon you. So as I said before if you unban us we will leave you and your clan alone as long as you leave us alone there will be no reason to attack one another at all. There is no need for you to abuse the power of admin to suffice your needs in the game, so where is the fun in KOC? (An unfair advantage in the game)

Sorry, I am a petty Tyrant, and there will be no unbanning. We are on GUA, so I will not state the many reasons you have been banned, but let it be known, that first and foremost, it is because you had the audacity to contradict me..........:whistilin

Sorry, can't keep a straight face any longer. Miked, pull your head out man, I am not an admin. If I were, I would have certainly not have unbanned you to let you and your "son" mass me. As to "running" to the admins, I did indeed report you and your "family" as potential cheaters, but then you managed to convince Rocco you were indeed a "family" of players, and he unbanned you.

Now, Rocco just wants everyone to have as good a KOC experience as possible, so he gave you the benefit of the doubt. But then when your accounts are being scrutinized, you tend to get caught doing something stupid that gets you banned again.

So, in closing, and to quote you, stop whining, and take it like a man. I am sure you will have a whole new crop of accounts whipped up in no time.

Good luck.
miked
13th February 2008, 07:03 AM
This is the bottom line. The KOC adims don't want us to have more than one account to gain an unfair advantage which I agree with. But when an adim has many of his alliance members mass attack and sab 2 player and when they strike back to defend themselves he bans them talk about an unfair advantage. Rocco had already unbanned us after darmael banned us for thinking we were one player with multi accounts. It truely is a sad day for all KOC players.


Mike

And for those who think I am lyingD10nn3

Joined: 08 Nov 2007
Posts: 17 Posted: Mon 11 Feb, 2008


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And I have done nothing inreturn at this time, but it will be a matter of time that I do.
Since making any post here and being asked not to do any thing to BSS I have not. They still continue to appaer in my logs and as you can see and my sons logs as well.

I also guess trinket didn't get the messege if she was so upset about the 26.
Please inform me as our next course of action? Also could someone tell me how to perpare for a war as in the past never had to go.

Mike

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jor-el94

Age: 14
Joined: 11 Feb 2008
Posts: 2 Posted: Mon 11 Feb, 2008


this is what i woke up to after staying away from all bss

Darmael None 23 minutes ago
your getting difficult to sabb, i guess we will just have to be satified with your larger alliance mates.


By the way, your "dad" never messaged me, so you can just forget about any peace.




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D10nn3

Joined: 08 Nov 2007
Posts: 17 Posted: Mon 11 Feb, 2008


Thank you dwarf,

I look out for my family whether it be the alliance or my own RL family doesn't matter. BSS has taken this much farther then it really needed to go, If darmael was the "KOC GOD" that he was claimed to be, and "you can ask trev I sent him that messege" he would have taken me on one on one not asking for his alliance help to start a war. As for the poll those members who have been massed or sabbed have the right to voice thier opions and should. I am not looking for a war between alliances my problem is not with BSS it is and will continue to be with Darmael, unless all attacks and sabs against TUE members cease. I am willing to let all things go without further provokation as long as they stay out of TUE logs, if the other members feel we need to go to war you know I will be there even though I only 50 attack turn ATM. I also can become unvacationed from clicks even though I don't have a pass word to share, trev will get about 750 coilders.


If Tricket didn't have me on ignore and didn't sab this would probably be over. As she was the one to appear in my logs after darmael told my son that as long as I was not in his logs it would be over.


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D10nn3

Joined: 08 Nov 2007
Posts: 17 Posted: Mon 11 Feb, 2008


everything has been quiet in my logs untill this now what do we do
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Riddick
Mortified :(


Age: 40
Joined: 17 May 2007
Posts: 826
Location: Wales UK Posted: Sun 10 Feb, 2008


His expected reply
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D10nn3 None 2 days ago



good day to you,

Your sub officer Darmael had my entire family banned due to his inability to beleive that a family can play the game. I have made him a target for this. Though he is having others in you alli come after me and possiblely my family. We have no beefs with your alliance, and ask you to ask others in your alliance not to get involed with the problem that Darmael has started on his own?


Regards,
Mike
AKA d10nn3


seems your officer is after mine.... now as far as im concerned Darmael or whoever reported him had every right to have their account checked out.... and if you decide to support this guy for commin after your guy we will come after TUE....

call that n00b off or else....




So I said back
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BSS-MFnBonsai None 4 minutes ago yes
LoL Bon no need to be so hostile I just thought we could resolve this in a more diplomatic way
Yes your officer had every right to get the admins to check him out and the issue was resolved by my alliance members regaining controll of their accounts.
I was just asking to see if you could see if their was any possible way other than a messy way for your officer to decist in the sabotage attempts?


Back at me LoL at this diplomacy malarky
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BSS-MFnBonsai None 2 minutes ago
my understanding is he was massed by 4 accounts.... and the messages he received led him to believe they were multies....

then he gets threatened on their return and i receive a mail of their intensions as well....

you want me to stop the sabbs you get them to apologise to Darmael otherwise i will let him continue and anyone else that decides to follow Darmael


So is their a chance of sending Darmael an apology to overt a war that would destroy most of the TUE account's

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Dwarfranger
Training Guru


Age: 97
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 289
Location: Australia Posted: Sun 10 Feb, 2008


I sent a message to each of their family after I was sabbed by Hackman_Teta_:

jor-el94 None 2 minutes ago no
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jor-el94 None 2 minutes ago no

Hey jor-el94,

You may not know me, but I have an a great interest in TUE doing well ^^

I know your situation from our forum. I was in the same situation recently (with another BSS member no less) when me and one of my family were banned. After 4 days and a polite email we were unbanned, but afterwards me and the BSS member have not spoken and no actions have continued.

I know it's been frustrating, you and your family banned almost at the whim of a BSS member, someone you're at war with. But if you can please hear me for a sec, I want to point out something important.

TUE is in a really tough time right now. Many leaders have quit TUE or KoC altogther, and CA has recently left us, on top of the war with AC and the break-off from RF. Our strength is possibly the lowest it's been this age. We might not survive another war at the moment, especially with our old enemies BSS. That is why I must ask you, please fix this problem peacefully. BSS is willing to sabb and mass our entire chain (what's left of it) over this matter, they may have begun to do so already (one in my logs so far) and I doubt we have the strength as a clan to fight them properly.

If you and your family can find it in yourselves, please say sorry and move on with your lives. If you can't that's ok, TUE will back you up to the best of our ability, but I don't think that's as much as it could be in even 2 weeks. At least give TUE time to prepare before this goes any further, some accounts need 3 days to prepare themselves for war, and will be almost completely destroyed by this.

Do as you and your family see fit. I do not ask this as a leader, I ask it as a member who cares more for this alliance than for my own account. I will send each in your family this message, I await your reply with trepidation.

Dwarfranger


[ Added: Sun 10 Feb, 2008 ]
From him:
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jor-el94 None 13 minutes ago

trust me dude i spent 3 days trying to make peace with them but they dont listen iv apologized hundredsof times and they dont accept them becaue they are little 2 year olds and im sorry for bringing everyoneinto this but i do need some help=(


To him:
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jor-el94 None 8 minutes ago yes

Let me know what they're doing to you: give me BSS names that have sabbed/massed you so we can start with them when we give you mass support.

I'll do all I can to make sure you're backed up by TUE, but I need you to try one more time, just for the show of things. I'll need your msg and the return msg (it will help convince people to go to war) I'll post them on the forum, and I'm hoping 24hours from then we'll give you support (I'll make a poll on the forum: we always have to for wars)

Dwarfranger


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plus darmeal also sabbed a hwile ago iv lost 8+ IS so far


To Hackman_Teta_:
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Hackman_Teta_ None 45 minutes ago yes

Hey man why'd you sab me? Just curious what it's about

Dwarfranger


From Hackman_Teta_:
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Hackman_Teta_ None 5 minutes ago

if you really want to know WHY ..
just try asking around you..
someone messed with a BSS member..
i just did a small prime , in order to say 'be carefull.. no one mess with a BSS member'


To Hackman_Teta:
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Hackman_Teta_ None 1 second ago no

I hear they're trying to stop it now... Would you mind helping that process? Your members don't seem to want to quit. If BSS actually wants to end it, let me know and I'll do what I can.

Dwarfranger


Darmael
BSS-Hooligan
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GUA Level: 19
HP : 0/7816


MP : 0/21353


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Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 56
Rep Power: 2

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Originally Posted by miked
hey guys,



My son and i ( jor-el94 and d10nn3 ) have been banned again for the same stupid reason that darmael believes that we are one person after we mass attack him like 10 times each and he couldnt take the heat but how would he know whom the family members were and msg my wife about my son and i about taking some " down time " so i belive that darmael is a admin which is an unfair advantage and he can ban whom ever he wants just cuz he doesnt like them so in this conclusion i DO NOT think he should be able to play KOC
Indeed, same stupid reason, but again, GUA forbids cheating accusations, so I will let the bannings speak for themselves.

As to my status as an admin, well, shh, don't tell anyone. Heck, it is my game, I make the rules, and I will ban or not ban whomever I like.

And for the record, no one has ever actually accused me of being able to play KOC.
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Last edited by Darmael : Today at 06:51 PM.
Darmael
13th February 2008, 09:23 AM
Wow, that was quite a read. A good work of fiction is always fun to read, but alas, this one is just another bleating of someone caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Once again, for those of you who can actually read, I am not an admin. And as far as banning those who attack me, I have been playing this game since age 4, and have been massed on numerous occasions. Only recently I have been involved in a war with LaCN, and if i were going to ban someone it would have been Bryan_LaCN who attacked me no less then 125 times.

That is part of the game, I accept that. But being massed by one person with multiple accounts in not part of the game.

Anyhow, good luck to you trying to explain things to the actual admins. They don't strike me as idiots, so I am guessing you will just have to suck it up and build some new accounts to mass me with.

Take care, and give your 'family' my love.

P.S. Why would we as an alliance have wasted so many resources on you if I could have simply banned you?
SilverSable
19th February 2008, 01:50 PM
I have deleted the last two posts without warnings. They were spam and totally off-topic. This thread is about miked's banning and since this thread was answered and has run it's course, I have closed it.

Edit: miked, Darmael is NOT a KOC admin. He was pulling your leg. Let it go.