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SilverBakk
8th February 2007, 07:04 PM
As a lot of you will know I have been around for about 5 years and for most of that time spent it at LaCN,and was fiercely proud of being LaCN until recently...there have been changes being made there that all of us should be made aware off.
First of all,it is important that it be understood that this involves no other members of LaCN,they are blameless and should not be lumped together with him.
A short time ago a post was made asking about missing clicks for the LaCN clicker and it was answered by the person responsible for the clicker.
What was said is that some of the clicks were lost becuase of the huge use of bandwidth and that Merv was bearing the cost of this alone.
This to me seemed unfair,and being a team player I decided to help merv out.
Using my reputation and trust with the LaCN community I made a post basically blasting all the members for the fact that he was paying the cost alone and soon donations started to pour in. What i did not know,nor did Merv bother to tell me this is that he owned the server. This in effect made me party to fraud,even though I was not aware of the fact he owned it,but I know from in game Pms recieved from other players that a large amount ofr money was sent to him. I have personal knowledge of a $250 US payment made to him,but it goes farther still. In past seasons he has has what he calls a "hospital account". This is an account that all members of LaCN donate to and he was supposed to give them to wounded players to help them recover. What it turned into was his own personal piggy bank,where the donations for other players were in fact sold to line his pocket.
Recently he told me that he wants to turn LaCN into a pure sab alliance and since we are mostly a ranker clan,this presents a bit of a problem for him,and i was wondering how he would deal with this,what he has done is decided that he has to get rid of all the more senior players by fair means or foul,and over the last month it is fair to say 99% have left.
He treats all that would bow to his wishes with comtempt and if he cannot find a reason to get rid of them he makes one up.I feel that I am honour bound to let this be known becuase on my reputation he milked many,many members of money using my loyalty to LaCN as his tool,in fact he thanked me for worrying about his well being...little did i know that i was in fact party to a fraud...and when i found this out i was in fact preparing a advertising campaign for him to draw in a bit of cash so we could afford to hold more click.
I did not know that he owned the server and would not have taken part in his little scam had i known that he was pocketing the money.within days of recieving it he dissappeared for weeks so im assuming that my hard work and the hard earned money of the people(mostly high school and UNI students)paid for anice holiday for him. In the past LaCN was an honourable alliance and I held my head high when negotiating on their behalf. Merv has got rid of all the long time members ecept those that are afraid to oppose him,and the general standards that old members have held proudly have been spomped into the floor.It is no longer "this thing of ours" but what can merv milk from it.He has commited a crime knowingly(at least in Canada)and used me as his pawn..even unknowingly I would like to apoligize to all those who paid him on my insistance.if i had been told the truth to start with i would never have become involved in this Fraud....Regards to you all ...SilverBakk

oldDarmael
8th February 2007, 07:47 PM
OMG, well Merv, I guess I don't feel to bad now, knowing even your own people hate you.

The fact you called me a fraud, and accused me of faking my own death has had the sting taken out of it.

I am so proud to call Silverbakk my friend. He has done something truly brave here, to help those affected by Merv's Graft.

I should have known that it wan't LaCN at large that has caused so much mistrust. But one of it's trusted leaders.

To LaCN, in you time of difficulty, feel free to come to me for any help I can give.

We at LGC look forward to returning to a time we not only cooperated, but were strong and friendly allies.


Silverbakk, my hat is off to you. I know you have done the right thing.

C Henry
8th February 2007, 07:57 PM
This should be moved to the KOC side, but I guess this would also mean I was scammed out of at least 10-20k cc? I was told by merv to donate cc to the chain hospital to help pay for the server. Anyway guess lacn's true colors are slowly showing and people are starting to realize.

Shane-
8th February 2007, 08:02 PM
what he has done is decided that he has to get rid of all the more senior players by fair means or foul,and over the last month it is fair to say 99% have left.

And... I was browseing the LaCN forum and found:

Merv
Grand Casino Capo (Leader)
Mirc: Merv
KoC: Merv
Location: NL
Posts: 3,680

Demotion of DragonianWolf
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Demotion of DragonianWolf
<WhiteWulf> Some changes are in the works in an effort to build LaCN for the furture, not just the now. One of those changes was the demotion of DW.
<Merv> abt this demotion we've thought long and hard
<WhiteWulf> and it was not an easy decision
<Merv> We seeked for the most of Loyalties guidance
<WhiteWulf> and consulted thier thoughts
<Merv> She didn't follow our code of omertŠ
<WhiteWulf> and her goals did not apear to be in the best interest of LaCN for the long term
<Merv> A big demotion like this is a sad moment in our history
<Merv> Fortunately there are some good changes planned shortly
<Merv> This age will be focussed on our GodFather to end #1.
<Merv> As we all know, Henry-TDO is a big threat here, and already has a bigger size.
<Merv> More news will follow
<WhiteWulf> Questions related to this change will me taken on a 1 on 1 basis and this does not promise you will get an answer
No idea how long DragonianWolfs been in lacn for, but i think shes an 'senior player' of lacn

Looks like what you say is true, He's attemping to get rid of the older players, Saying that there aint 'Loyle' anymore, or there aint 'Good for the clan' anymore

Aw well, I wounder whats going on, Henry leaves lacn..., The leaders getting demoted... There now see Henry as a threat... there now say there want TGF for #1 when there all use to say there didnt want #1, just fun

Now the question is... What the f*ck is going on in lacn o.O

Lacn is supose to be based on honor, and loyalty, And from what i can see so far, What Merv has done isnt honorable, And has shown no loyalty towards the lacn chain/alliance/family

To Henry: 'I was told by merv to donate cc'
Told, Or asked?




Funny how things turn out eh

Shane

Dragoona
8th February 2007, 08:07 PM
To set the record straight. I was one that gave $212.10 USD (Converts to $160 EUR) to upgrade the server memory. In the weeks after giving him the money. I asked him several times when he was going to install the memory, but he always blew me off with "I got paying customers and will need to schedule downtime with them" line.

To this day he's still hasn't taken the server down to upgrade it. Looking back, now I know why was he so against taking the server down to upgrade the memory... Not because he was going to lose an hour of clicks, but because he was really skimming like many others have said.

Now I suspect him trying to use the server needs as an excuse to solicit funds from the unsuspecting.


Link to an image of my PayPal Email: (I've censured a few things to protect myself)

http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=koc0007sw7.png

Dragoona

C Henry
8th February 2007, 08:08 PM
And... I was browseing the LaCN forum and found:

No idea how long DragonianWolfs been in lacn for, but i think shes an 'senior player' of lacn

Looks like what you say is true, He's attemping to get rid of the older players, Saying that there aint 'Loyle' anymore, or there aint 'Good for the clan' anymore

Aw well, I wounder whats going on, Henry leaves lacn..., The leaders getting demoted... There now see Henry as a threat... there now say there want TGF for #1 when there all use to say there didnt want #1, just fun

Now the question is... What the f*ck is going on in lacn o.O

Lacn is supose to be based on honor, and loyalty, And from what i can see so far, What Merv has done isnt honorable, And has shown no loyalty towards the lacn chain/alliance/family

To Henry: 'I was told by merv to donate cc'
Told, Or asked?




Funny how things turn out eh

Shane

Bit of both, this was just before/during the first days of our boost by TGF. I was asked/told by merv to donate to the chain hospital to "help everyone out." Might even have the logs if I remembered the date from irc. Either way I didn't donate as much as Grim cuz I personally didn't believe in it. Grim probably lost 2x as much as me to it.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 08:12 PM
One of the many reasons I stopped clicking LaCN. And to think, if t0msky was still around, he would have been all for sabbing these same kind of offensives, that is if he wasnt in chain too. Then we all seem to forget...

[Edit] For dragoona:

Im sorry, that is a horrible abuse of trust.

PS:


Recently he told me that he wants to turn LaCN into a pure sab alliance

HAHA!

radioplug14
8th February 2007, 08:20 PM
Wow...

That's all I can say.

Lite-Ning
8th February 2007, 08:30 PM
Maybe we should wait for another side of the story? I dno, obviously I want to be optimistic as I'm still a proud member of LaCN.


First of all,it is important that it be understood that this involves no other members of LaCN,they are blameless and should not be lumped together with him.

Just wanted to emphasize this point that silverbakk made .. some have already generalized in this thread.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 08:33 PM
Its only one of many problems and concerns people have had with LaCN and their clicker Lite, theres reasons for generalities and skepticism.

Shane-
8th February 2007, 08:40 PM
Maybe we should wait for another side of the story? I dno, obviously I want to be optimistic as I'm still a proud member of LaCN.



Just wanted to emphasize this point that silverbakk made .. some have already generalized in this thread.

I guess its kinda Stereotypical...

What does TGF, and other lacn leaders think of this?...

What does ES (Ste?) think about this?...

Cheating in Koc is one thing, But cheating players out of there real life money is a whole different levle which is pretty much discraseful...

Kinda makes me think?... If Merv was willing to steal peoples money, would/did he steal credits in other ages

Shane

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 08:43 PM
Kinda makes me think?... If Merv was willing to steal peoples money, would/did he steal credits in other ages

Shane

Sorta what I was getting at.

Jezuzz
8th February 2007, 08:52 PM
If Merv was willing to steal peoples money, would/did he steal credits in other ages

Its not stealing, but it is pathetic what he is doing :(.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 08:55 PM
Its not stealing, but it is pathetic what he is doing :(.

It actually is stealing if its true. Its fraud, any money taken under false pretenses is fraud in both america and england.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 09:01 PM
You guys are WAY out of the loop.

http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=47953

At the end of the thread, last few pages or so.

Gifflebip
8th February 2007, 09:14 PM
Just as an aside, if he stole your money instead of posting about it here you should contact the authorities. Using the internet to commit fraud is a serious offense in many countries.

At the very least you should contact local law enforcement to see what steps you should take. I would recommend not letting him get away with looting you for real life cash, that's just beyond fucked up.

Habsfan
8th February 2007, 09:15 PM
Merv if this is true, this is shameful.

Deleted the part about Darmael when I saw his posts in his RIP thread.

Though faking your death (even though I don't think he did) is worse then stealing $200, because people actually cared about the guy, lost sleep, mourned and cried over it.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 09:19 PM
Just as an aside, if he stole your money instead of posting about it here you should contact the authorities. Using the internet to commit fraud is a serious offense in many countries.

At the very least you should contact local law enforcement to see what steps you should take. I would recommend not letting him get away with looting you for real life cash, that's just beyond fucked up.

Im glad he posted it here, now more people wont make the same mistakes.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 09:21 PM
"touche'???
Words of wisdom from an asshole that had people fucking physically hurting over his lies???
God forgive me bro, but if anyone beleives one bit of the shit you're spewing, then they should just lay down and give you their log-in info, lol.

You WILL die someday, that is sure...I hope for you, it's not pleasant.

That didnt really make much sense, but just because someone is an ** and lies about their death, doesnt mean they cant make good points.

Gifflebip
8th February 2007, 09:22 PM
Can a mod keep this on topic please?

There's a guy out there potentially using KoC to steal -real- cash from people. This has nothing to do what what Darmael did or didn't do.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 09:25 PM
Can a mod keep this on topic please?

There's a guy out there potentially using KoC to steal -real- cash from people. This has nothing to do what what Darmael did or didn't do.

Good point, so lets tell the poster not to post it on GUA, to save other people potentially instead right?

Im still waiting for a LaCN or ES post on this

Gifflebip
8th February 2007, 09:29 PM
Perhaps you should try reading Suck, I never said they shouldn't have posted here, just that they should've contacted the authorities first.

It's nice to make a public service announcement and it's appreciated I'm sure, but when someone steals from you, right from your pocket...you gotta look out for number 1 first.

That's all I was saying. I wasn't saying "damn that was stupid of you to post here, this really should be covered up, no one should know!!!"

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 09:36 PM
Im done spamming this with stupid shit, but just so you know, I can read just fine:

Just as an aside, if he stole your money instead of posting about it here you should contact the authorities.

Looks pretty clear to me

Shane-
8th February 2007, 09:37 PM
I am waiting for liziy to post on this.

I'm waiting for Euthie :p lol


Anyways, What Merv's done, Is it atcually a crime, He didnt 'Ask' for it himself, He got others to do that, Although he miss'lead others, And accepted money wrongly

Shane

Griml0ck
8th February 2007, 09:41 PM
Bit of both, this was just before/during the first days of our boost by TGF. I was asked/told by merv to donate to the chain hospital to "help everyone out." Might even have the logs if I remembered the date from irc. Either way I didn't donate as much as Grim cuz I personally didn't believe in it. Grim probably lost 2x as much as me to it.

You're right Henry, I think I donated twice as much as you did to this so called "hopsital" account. I might have the logs as well because I remember Merv pulled both you and myself aside to ask if we would donate to that account since we did so much clicking. Damn, I feel pretty fuckin used right about now.

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 09:41 PM
I'm waiting for Euthie :p lol


Anyways, What Merv's done, Is it atcually a crime, He didnt 'Ask' for it himself, He got others to do that, Although he miss'lead others, And accepted money wrongly

Shane

It doesnt matter if he asks for it or not. If he takes money under the pretext of doing something specific with it, then it goes against laws in many different countries.

radioplug14
8th February 2007, 09:44 PM
I'm waiting for Euthie :p lol


Anyways, What Merv's done, Is it atcually a crime, He didnt 'Ask' for it himself, He got others to do that, Although he miss'lead others, And accepted money wrongly

Shane

So you know those companies that tell you to invest in them cause they're going to get rich fast. And then they crash and run away with all of your money. I think that would fit in there...and I'm pretty sure that's against the law.

Glint
8th February 2007, 09:44 PM
hmmm wonder what merv will say about this....

/me sits and waits. i wanna hear more from LaCN/ES

oldDarmael
8th February 2007, 09:45 PM
Thanks RP good to be back, i pm'd the other gentleman who has wished me an evil death. No hard feelings though, I probably wouldn't believe me either if it was one of you.

But hell, the whole goddamned story is just too crappy not to be true.

Back on topic: Yes, when will the spin doctors be here to sort this mess out. Will they be wearing a black cape, and pulling rabits out of their asses.

Stay tuned folks, for the next episode of, "Merv Makes your Cash Disappear."

Directly following tonights special, "Why Does Darmael care as long as his friends believe him?"

Schadenfreude
8th February 2007, 09:55 PM
You really think someone will respond? I think there`ll be a cold day in hell before they do, notice previously how clans choose to ignore issues and how peeps soon forget about them. Saying anything other than nothing, will only drag this out longer, not something regardless of if its correct or not anyone would want to do.

Shane-
8th February 2007, 10:07 PM
i think Merv should be punished if waht happend was true.

but for those LaCN members that no longer want to be in LaCN due to the corruption of interior problems. i just want u guys to know..my door is open for u guys..join me if u guys are interested

Recruiting isnt alowed on gua...


And:


I do not believe that there is any basis for legal action for donation made in a case like this, do you feel defrauded for the service you used for all those ages .

[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_pretenses)

False pretenses or obtaining property by false pretenses[1] is a common law crime in the United States, where its statutory forms handle situations not covered by the definition of larceny. In English law, these are deception offences defined in the Theft Act 1968 and Theft Act 1978.

Wiki apears to think its an crime

Shane

Maximus-
8th February 2007, 10:08 PM
Really this is no more than a flame of members and this topic should be closed.

I do not believe that there is any basis for legal action for donation made in a case like this, do you feel defrauded for the service you used for all those ages .

I just want LaCN oppinion on this.

though, now, more than ever, all those accusations several players launched at start of the age cause of their recruiter, are closer to the truth :p and I'm laughing laughing... :weights:

I know nothing about laws, less I know about other countries laws (I need to talk with my lawyer, Wally, on this), but I doubt any charges can be taken on Merv. He didn't pointed a gun to get the money. They sent the money thinking they were helping to upgrade the server.

Thats my oppinion and I'll leave the juridical issues to my lawyer.

Lord_Seregon
8th February 2007, 10:10 PM
Recruiting isnt alowed on gua...


And:



[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_pretenses)


Wiki apears to think its an crime

Shane


Basically you all can make it look anyhow you want here but the burden of proof in a court of law is much differnet, I stand by my statement that no legal action will happen....

That is not saying he is right just that I do not think any of you will have a peg leg in hell to stand on

Krystin
8th February 2007, 10:11 PM
DO NOT MAKE ME SPANK YOU!!!

STOP WITH THE TROLLING AND FLAMING.

CrippledLucifer-
8th February 2007, 10:11 PM
i don't have a clue if this is true or not, but before you all jump in the bandwagon of hating Merv give him the chance to defend himself. it's fun to watch an online mob set up the court and gallows...

Gifflebip
8th February 2007, 10:12 PM
Oh I'd also wager that no criminal action will take place because it would be pretty difficult to prove. It's not as if they signed a contract detailing where the money was supposed to go.

If however the person who sent the money has logs that can be verified where Merv promises that the money will go to server upgrades and it can be proven that the money never went for that purpose then he's certainly guilty of fraud.

Pretty heavy burden of proof on the side of the sender though. If you really think he stole from you, you should contact your local police and they'll help you take it from there.

This is more likely a case for Judge Judy though.

Schadenfreude
8th February 2007, 10:14 PM
DO NOT MAKE ME SPANK YOU!!!

STOP WITH THE TROLLING AND FLAMING.

/me <3`s kinky Krystin :D

elo
8th February 2007, 10:18 PM
bwahahahaha

all i see is a bunch of disgruntled punks and then the regular hat0rs on this thread

so let's see... merv openly asks for click donations to sell for real money for server and bandwidth upgrades... and b/c he doesnt spend the money how you want or b/c you don't have proof that he spent the money, you're all like OMG MY PUSSY HURTS!!

lots of people take donations, PR.. fury... etc ... where's their receipts.. Deal is... when you donate, you DONATE ... if you want to micro manage what the money will be spent on, then YOU start your own charity and spent YOUR contributions the way YOU want.. doesnt matter if merv is spending the money on ramen noodles and nightvision goggles, if it pumps him up to code on the clicker or clear some caches, then fucking more power to him

and just because it's MERVS SERVER (omg all of a sudden owning a server is evil..) doesn't mean bandwidth is free

bottom line... silverbakk's pussy hurts and he's got an axe to grind... the rest of you are just the usual hat0r crew coming to get a nip at teh cock


p.s. to the "dead" guy: bad time to part your teeth and start sqwauking... especially on a "fraud" thread

Sanger
8th February 2007, 10:19 PM
and just because it's MERVS SERVER (omg all of a sudden owning a server is evil..) doesn't mean bandwidth is free

Also doesn't mean the server was free ;) GoGo elo :weights:

NardHipples
8th February 2007, 10:23 PM
so let's see... merv openly asks for click donations to sell for real money for server and bandwidth upgrades
he asked for click donations to help "wounded" accounts in lacn not to fund his vacation in Jamaica ;)

Maximus-
8th February 2007, 10:24 PM
I assume elo wasn't one of those that donated money for the upgrade :p

and, anyway, I kinda agree with you. If people gave him money, well it was only cause they wanted. If money was used for different things than it was supposed to, doesn't make it fair.

SilverBakk
8th February 2007, 10:34 PM
To answer the question.as soon as i found out what i had become involved in I approached the R.C.M.P here for advice. After giving a statement it was suggested that it may be prudent to ask him for the money to be returned.I have had a working relationship with the Police for over 30 years so i am doing as they suggest.There is a wide range of suggestions over the charges that could be laid ranging from wire fraud(USA) and obtaining by false pretense(Canada) to using the Internet to solicit fraud...my statement is as of yet unsigned,and will wait to see if restitution will be attempted to be made..if not than it is out of my hands....and do not care one way or the other as long as my name is not associated with an intent to commit fraud ,and since I am considered an accomplice, i want to make sure that all is in the open.....SilverBakk

elalb
8th February 2007, 10:35 PM
Wow no lacn or es members are brave enough to post. This looks bad for lacn =/ oh well they deserve it xD

jaredmt
8th February 2007, 10:36 PM
like Lite said, please dont generalize on LaCN. There is a topic about this in the LaCN forums and there is talking going on in mIRC. Im only a cugine so i dont know the full details but i've heard different stories from different people and this is a big issue that obviously wont resolve over night.

This was just posted today so stop sayin "lacn is susupicioulsy quiet". Just give people time to reply and specifically give Merv a chance to reply.

Shane-
8th February 2007, 10:42 PM
I guess what jaredmt and lite have said is true, Dont condole all of Lacn as fraud's, Just one of there leaders

And if whats said, Is true, Will Lacn suport a fraud or not?, And whats WW view in this

I guess: all will be explained when Merv replys


Wow no lacn or es members are brave enough to post. This looks bad for lacn =/ oh well they deserve it xD

A few have, Lite, Crip, Dno about anyone esle, To lazy to check peoples chains

Shane

Venom-
8th February 2007, 10:48 PM
To answer the question.as soon as i found out what i had become involved in I approached the R.C.M.P here for advice. After giving a statement it was suggested that it may be prudent to ask him for the money to be returned.I have had a working relationship with the Police for over 30 years so i am doing as they suggest.There is a wide range of suggestions over the charges that could be laid ranging from wire fraud(USA) and obtaining by false pretense(Canada) to using the Internet to solicit fraud...my statement is as of yet unsigned,and will wait to see if restitution will be attempted to be made..if not than it is out of my hands....and do not care one way or the other as long as my name is not associated with an intent to commit fraud ,and since I am considered an accomplice, i want to make sure that all is in the open.....SilverBakk

Im sorry such a bad thing had to happen to such a good guy, I hope you get this straightend out.

As for Merv, <^>(-_-)<^> LS all over again :p

And for Elo if you go to the thread about someone else faking Darmael's Death, you'll realize he got used, just like Silverbakk here :p so shush before I spank you..

ms_fishy
8th February 2007, 10:48 PM
just a question.. how much money are we talking about here?

to be a bit more fair, merv prolly thinks since he paid for the server and bandwidth you guys were using he had the right to get some of it back.. the problem is that he wasnt being truthful bout it and the whole thing came off as a scam for easy money - ouchie!


like Lite said, please dont generalize on LaCN. There is a topic about this in the LaCN forums and there is talking going on in mIRC. ...

This was just posted today so stop sayin "lacn is susupicioulsy quiet". Just give people time to reply and specifically give Merv a chance to reply.

typical ;)

i still remember everytime ESLACN got in trouble (ban on t0msky, TGF, merv, or the whole recruiter blah blah) - you always took a while to come up with public response - gotta hold that secret mafia meeting and come up with something half-way decent for the world (even tho noone bought it ^^)

Venom-
8th February 2007, 10:54 PM
just a question.. how much money are we talking about here?

to be a bit more fair, merv prolly thinks since he paid for the server and bandwidth you guys were using he had the right to get some of it back.. the problem is that he wasnt being truthful bout it and the whole thing came off as a scam for easy money - ouchie!



typical ;)

i still remember everytime ESLACN got in trouble (ban on t0msky, TGF, merv, or the whole recruiter blah blah) - you always took a while to come up with public response - gotta hold that secret mafia meeting and come up with something half-way decent for the world (even tho noone bought it ^^)

I think your right ^.^, lite was always the one to make a statement when Lacn stuck their foot in a hole. I am really curious to see how LACN reacts and if they support Merv.

Ferret
8th February 2007, 10:58 PM
I didn't realize people were being forced out of LaCN. I thought people were just leaving because it started to suck. Oh well, same result.

realmccoy30
8th February 2007, 11:05 PM
Wow no lacn or es members are brave enough to post. This looks bad for lacn =/ oh well they deserve it xD

now what has LaCN done to deserve anything? Nothing has been proven and as of now no one is guilty. LaCN has done nothing wrong so keep your mouth shut until you have some f***ing proof that anything is happening and then you can speak about anyone involved with it not LaCN. For all you know Merv has been working on pgrades. Wait until he responds. Everyone in this thread may be left feeling like and ass

TheChangeling
8th February 2007, 11:29 PM
Bandwidth cost money...servers cost money. Did he use it at this exact moment to cover the cost of it? Who knows. Doesn't mean that he didn't have costs before this.
When there are threats of legal action the best thing for a person to do is to think long and hard about it before they post something stupid that could get them in trouble. If he is smart, weither he is guilty or not, he should consult an attorney before proceeding any further.
Now, on to the rest...if this just broke today give people a chance to post before you hang them. This thread has some pretty heavy accusations so let them get all their eggs in a basket before someone posts something that is just hearsay.
Just my two cents...

Cipher_21
8th February 2007, 11:36 PM
i personally u know.... i am with darmel... I never liked Merv or TGF, so this just give me another reason not to.
as for the fraud thing......to answer EVERYONE question.... collecting or recieving money under false pretences/conditions by use of the internet is an international crime.
now whether or not Merv really did this (I think he did myself) has yet to be proven.

Agent-of-Mayhem
8th February 2007, 11:37 PM
Meh, If this isnt the end of LaCN, well nothing is.

Power gets to the head of people, he abused the use of LaCN Recruiter when it hit its peak.


I guess you all owe Euthie an apoligy, since he, Shane and alot of others been saying this shit for a long time.

radioplug14
8th February 2007, 11:38 PM
Don't blame this on LaCN.

However...I think this puts the stake in the LaCN recruiter. I doubt if they get it back up that anyone will want to use it now and these days. Just too much controversy surrounding LaCN, even if it is all speculation. Just like how CW clickback dropped a ton after people claimed that CW stole clicks. It just doesn't look good.

However, no one in LaCN is to blame for this. If anything, they are the vicitms, and I pity.

CrippledLucifer-
8th February 2007, 11:41 PM
Meh, If this isnt the end of LaCN, well nothing is.

Power gets to the head of people, he abused the use of LaCN Recruiter when it hit its peak.


I guess you all owe Euthie an apoligy, since he, Shane and alot of others been saying this shit for a long time.

euthie and co were saying TGF steals clicks. that's not what Silverbakk accuses Merv off.

accusing someone of something doesnt make another accusation true. not where i live. just read before you post, makes things easier.

PS: as a matter of fact Merv is writing a reply as we speak, so can you all stfu with your assumptions and interpretations until he makes his point?

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 11:51 PM
For some reason I had posts disappear...

Anyway, I dont think its fair to say people are "jumping on the bandwagon" when many of the issues people have with LaCN and specifically the clicker, have been aired long before this. To many this is just another brick in the wall in regards to how clean LaCN has been running its clicker.

On the other hand, for people OTHER then the admins of the clicker or ES/LaCN admins to come here and defend it is ridiclous. It is one thing to accuse, post proof and other concerns, but a completely different thing to defend it without having admin access or knowledge to the program. In this case, the burden of proof is on the LaCN admins, Merv specifically, and having LaCN members with little more then a decent rank or a @ in the IRC channel defend it is just noise, not proof. This thread was made to complain about a specific person, and program and it is the right of the users and players who have been hurt or are suspicious to complain. However, defending the person or the institution, when you have to real control over or in it, and therefore no real knowledge, is absurd.

radioplug14
8th February 2007, 11:53 PM
For some reason I had posts disappear...


Flaming...one of mine did too...

Suckonmychunk
8th February 2007, 11:54 PM
Flaming...one of mine did too...

I had no infos/warnings and the one that dissapeared said only something about not using this thread for recruiting.

CrippledLucifer-
9th February 2007, 12:02 AM
For some reason I had posts disappear...

Anyway, I dont think its fair to say people are "jumping on the bandwagon" when many of the issues people have with LaCN and specifically the clicker, have been aired long before this. To many this is just another brick in the wall in regards to how clean LaCN has been running its clicker.

On the other hand, for people OTHER then the admins of the clicker or ES/LaCN admins to come here and defend it is ridiclous. It is one thing to accuse, post proof and other concerns, but a completely different thing to defend it without having admin access or knowledge to the program. In this case, the burden of proof is on the LaCN admins, Merv specifically, and having LaCN members with little more then a decent rank or a @ in the IRC channel defend it is just noise, not proof. This thread was made to complain about a specific person, and program and it is the right of the users and players who have been hurt or are suspicious to complain. However, defending the person or the institution, when you have to real control over or in it, and therefore no real knowledge, is absurd.

the only thing LaCN members defend here is Merv's right to defend himself . the only reason your posting here is to shout burn the witch. in case you didn't get it, you're the noise. and it's sad that something concerning LaCN members only became another soap opera..

radioplug14
9th February 2007, 12:03 AM
I'm done commenting on this until something more comes out, preferably from the other side.

Suckonmychunk
9th February 2007, 12:09 AM
the only thing LaCN members defend here is Merv's right to defend himself . the only reason your posting here is to shout burn the witch. in case you didn't get it, you're the noise. and it's sad that something concerning LaCN members only became another soap opera..

This is why reading is a good thing. Like I said in my previous post (I apologize to those who actually read it and have to read it again), this just brings the numerous complaints and problems players have had with the LaCN clicker this age and last to the front again. And when LaCN promotes their clicker as a fair clicker to the masses of KOC and then does not have one, it is not an internal problem, but an external problem for anyone who has ever used or somehow was supposed to benefit from the use of the "fair" clicker.

I believe the phrase I JUST used was "another brick in the wall".

Cipher_21
9th February 2007, 12:10 AM
honestly, Merv shouldnt have to work on a reply.....he should make it. Writing it and re-writing it makes it seems like he is trying to find the perfect way to make himself innocent and doing nothing wrong, why doesnt he just come in here and reply, instead of trying to plan how he can not sound like such a turd.

Maximus-
9th February 2007, 12:16 AM
I agree Merv should defend himself. And all oppinions I have on this matter are based on silverbakk posts. Let's see what Merv has to say.

Though, lacn/es members, that are flaming everyone that are complaining here, don't... if this thread was open about PR you would be the first bashing us ;) like some of you still do anyway...

Let me guess one possible outcome:

"This is all PR fault... PR kept the money and the "hospital" clicks :p"

Wouldn't you all love to say it? go ahead... lol this time you don't have a chance. Now you can flame me :p I'll check the neg reps tomorrow

MakerOfTheUsless
9th February 2007, 12:19 AM
Well, I am against posting in GUA, and yet here I am. Since GUA tends to be people flaming one another.

First and foremost, I think such matters should be discussed maturly, if that means people only with authority so be it. I know, I do not have much authority myself, but I am not accusing anything.

I think this IS a private matter to some extent.
If it is legal- thats to be dealt with merv and the police
If it is an alliance being cheated- thats to be dealt with LACN and merv

I do think people deserve an explenation, however. Brief or not. I am definetly looking foward to hearing what merv has to say, but can not entierly respect the fact it is taking a while. Saying the truth does not take a long time to write, and you posted quite awhile that he was working on it right then. (Again I am not accusing)

I am a member of PR- thus I probably am biased, but oppose flaming. Thus I am not for or against merv, until furthurmore is explained (other than he is in LACN of course). And when its explained is up to MERV and ONLY merv

I think this is another terrible blow to lacn.
And Though I do not care for lacn, I am sorry to hear a member being in this scenerio, no one should be placed in such a perdicement.

My best regards to those who may or may not have been caught up in this.

Looking foward to a reply-
-makeroftheusless

Apocalypse137
9th February 2007, 01:35 AM
Hmmz I actually (scary) read through all this.
First, I think it's sad if he was really 'stealing' money.

However I figure I'll echo others and point out that even if you run your own server (state of art or hillbilly joe style) it costs money. If someone sent him $200 one time and hes been paying out of pocket for even longer then $200 is just a bit of help for him in the coming months. Even if it was $1,000 that was donated, if hes paying out of his own pocket normally then it means that even if he spends the $1,000 on Porn & Playboy magazines he'll be paying in future that $1,000 out of pocket sooo it eventually pays off right? at least in theory that makes sense to me.

I think merv deserves a chance and I think the uh "mob" as it was referred to is coming on too hard. I'd say the worst part about this is, its ONE persona nd instead ppl only see 'LaCN' and attribute him to his entire clan thats been around for a while even wen it wasnt (or so i assumed considering they're saying the other leaders r leaving) under his control 100%.

Lalalla to those talkin smack to darm, well enjoy but i dont see y ud bother.

Agent-of-Mayhem
9th February 2007, 01:49 AM
Crip mate, How long does it take to type a response? I thought he was doing it as we spoke. Now its 2 and a bit hours later and still no post from Merv.

And all these credits that went to the LaCN Hospital account, they didnt just happen to help TGF last age? He was basically as good as stealing them so it is the same damn thing.

Suckonmychunk
9th February 2007, 01:58 AM
lol Shaun he wasnt typing a response, crip just needed something to say.

Its obvious the LaCN leadership is not only in internal turmoil (coming from the previously posted mentions) but is obviously facing a lot of clicker problems as well. LaCN doesnt have the clicks it had last age, thanks in large parts to improvements to CW (finally a good one!) and DDl pwning all the rest. They have to respond to this with a careful thought out response, in order to save some face. All that means is they are thinking of the bst fabrication they can.

Cipher_21
9th February 2007, 02:05 AM
yea....im pretty surethey are all sitting in their mafia meeting hall discussing and deciding howstupid we are, and what they think they will make us believe.

personally, im not gonna believe anything he says. he has never been the most honorable person on KoC, and i have never liked him, or whitewulf

HoD
9th February 2007, 02:19 AM
From what I see, there are two issues:

1) Silverbakk organizing donations for Merv to upgrade the server with doubt if the money is used for the right thing.

2) Merv using the "hospital account" for uses other than intended (not entirely sure what happened there and I don't make wild guesses).

If either is true then I sure as hell wouldnt want him being admin for anything. However its only been 7 hours since this was posted and spindoctors don't work this fast so let's give them some time ;)

HoD

Lil_Wolfy
9th February 2007, 02:24 AM
Whooohooo O_o i go to bed and wake up and theirs 8 pages of nonsense, page 2 in particular makes no sense, too many posts being cut out and deleted.

Grats SilverBakk for coming out mate, musta been a tough decision. But im gonna hold judgement until i get either a post from Merv, or a top LaCN (if indeed there are any top LaCN any left :S)

EviLizeD
9th February 2007, 02:24 AM
Firstly let me say I have donated both clicks and cash and if it was needed again I would do so again.

The donations payed for Mervs holiday? Now that really made me laugh, I remember not so long ago Merv came to the UK to meet with several other LaCN members, was there a request for funds around this time? NO.

Merv was recently away for a while and in a conversation with someone who speaks to him regually in RL i was told he has computer problems and he had to wait to get them fixed, was there an ask for funds at this time? again NO (and if he was already hording funds the problems would have been payed for and sorted a damn sght quicker)

The only time funds where asked for was when so many people where using the recruiter the bandwidth charges rose dramaticly.

You may or may not like Merv on a personal or KOC basis but is that any reason to make a slur on there RL character?

Food for thought, recently I made a post on LaCN with concerns about the amount of out of chain members we had (LaCN being in chain only this age) and how many of these members where honour/loyalty members and how it did not reflect well, I was assured this was being taken care of. Now lets all see who was in chain and who wasnt then we may find who has a case of `sour grapes`.

Finally yes fraud is a criminal offence, but then there are large penaltys for Defimation of Character and libel, both of which have been present in many posts here.

Oh and for anyone thinking Ive been composing this half the night, jesus its 8.24am here and ive been awake just under an hour.

Presence
9th February 2007, 02:32 AM
Merv has not even been given a chance to post here, and i see 8 pages of ... i have absolutely no idea because i stopped reading after the first page..

all i can understand is that someone thinks Merv has been stealing money and clicks?

well... about the money part... someone had to pay for the Server costs for the LaCN recruiter... Fact is, the bill eventually would come to get pretty high, and I'm sure that even if the money was pocketed, it would not nearly cover the costs of hosting a server and paying for all of its bandwidth and costs..

Im on a neutral standpoint... with no personal bias as i have made no gains or loss... =/
as to the rest of the stuff... i don't know... but can you all at least let him say something...
sheesh...

and now.. back to my vacation from koc =/
good night. (12:30 am)

Suckonmychunk
9th February 2007, 02:39 AM
I remember not so long ago Merv came to the UK to meet with several other LaCN members, was there a request for funds around this time? NO.

Woah traveling to have meetings with other players of an online text based game is a little beyond my comprehension.

You also seem to have a problem with one thing, just because he didnt do it at times where he was paying for things, doesnt mean he never did. Thats like saying: "Charles manson hasnt killed anybody this year, therefore he hasnt ever". Sorry, but you have a horrible basis for your arguements.


Finally yes fraud is a criminal offence, but then there are large penaltys for Defimation of Character and libel, both of which have been present in many posts here.

Sigh... When people quote the law but not really know it, its kind of a pet peeve of mine. Defimation of charcter and libel have no bearing on an online game, where the players are not real, the game has no bearing in real life and players are not compensated for performance, rank or referels. Because this is true, then Merv or any other member of LaCN are not entitled to a libel suit because there has been no compesatory damages nor have their been any things said that would threaten their safety, income, standing within the legitimately recognized social community (of which KOC is not part of). So please, in the nicest words I can think of, can it.

HoD
9th February 2007, 02:50 AM
I dont see what trips to the UK or comp problems have anything to do with it? Unless by comp problems you mean server problems.

And if money is raised to pay for bandwith it should be used for that and nothing else.

Isnt defamation slander and libel in one word, so in this case there'd be libel ;) AND only if it's a false, harmful statement and there's ofc the public intrest :D

HoD

Hansscherff
9th February 2007, 02:56 AM
Maybe we should wait for another side of the story? I dno, obviously I want to be optimistic as I'm still a proud member of LaCN.


I think the story is quite obvious lite-ning, however for now it doesnt say much about LaCN yet, it only says something about Merv as a person acting in name of LaCN. I still think however Merv deserves a chance to defend himself indeed.
If the rest of LaCN leaders did not know about this 'supposed' scam there obviously is no problem aside from the fact that u ALL got scammed lol. So there's no reason to not be optimistic about LaCN (aside from the fact that u are in war with FF offcourse :P) aslong as the rest of the leaders take their responsibility, come up with the truth and find a solution.

~Stes_The_Destroyer~
9th February 2007, 02:57 AM
@ shane - i'm waiting for euthie too, remember him saying i'll never do what he done or got, well guess what :P i done it better and soo wanna rub his nose in it :P

@ the rest of ya - Do not judge without hard proof and give merv a chance to reply and defend himself.
me personally just woke up and read thsi and i know as much as you but if yur all going on about legalities then, INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY and there is no proof just some1s words.

Suckonmychunk
9th February 2007, 02:59 AM
@ shane - i'm waiting for euthie too, remember him saying i'll never do what he done or got, well guess what :P i done it better and soo wanna rub his nose in it :P

@ the rest of ya - Do not judge without hard proof and give merv a chance to reply and defend himself.
me personally just woke up and read thsi and i know as much as you but if yur all going on about legalities then, INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY and there is no proof just some1s words.

Including Mervs? Sorry but with a text game, its gonna be all words and all pictures, and the ones Ive heard so far have driven it beyond a reasonable doubt for me.

~Stes_The_Destroyer~
9th February 2007, 03:10 AM
but its not, if its been reported to authorities and ppl threatening too then it isnt bout words is it and real proof will be needed, tho none of your opininions really matter, just the ppl concerned, nor does my opininion so go do something constructive instead of waffling about things you not of, no1 does except the few ppl concerned and till there ready to discuss it just shut up trying to make things worse for ppl when it could all turn out to be wrong.

Suckonmychunk
9th February 2007, 03:19 AM
You are right evilized, but my points still are valid, because they do not effect his life. Please re-read my thread. Jesus.

Stes.. like Ive said thirty thousand times this thread already, this particular point may be a specific thing regarding certain parties, but since silver posted it with the intention of sharing it with the public, he was welcoming comment and also we are using this oppourtunity to raise more of our concerns regarding the LaCN clicker and discuss them as well. Instead of skirting the questions, lets get some answers in here.

EviLizeD
9th February 2007, 03:33 AM
I wasnt drawing my original comment on your post but after reading the thread in its entirity there are a lot of accusations going on, some which maybe true, some which are pure fabrication and some that people will never know due to one reason or another.

When any accusation is made the accuser is legally responcable to provide proof.

Suckonmychunk
9th February 2007, 03:36 AM
True and if you read, the following posts, especially the linked photo do a considerable amount to go there. If we were in an America court, this case would have passed the grand jury and gone to trial, where it is now time for the defense to present some evidence.

EviLizeD
9th February 2007, 03:53 AM
If you mean the paypal screenshot then yeah money was sent, but in my first post I also stated ive sent money when needed and would do again, and I dont know the position of authorities world wide but here posting accusations on the web when you've made a legal complaint would be strongly discouraged.

Sorry but it sounds to me like a couple of disgruntled people have set out to discredit someone knowing the shark pool that GUA is the subject would start a feeding frenzy.

MrFoolKiller
9th February 2007, 04:18 AM
Might as well throw my 2 cents in also.

I'd be about the last person to defend Merv or any LaCN member after my experience with them but firstly, all the flaming and accusations about Merv's guilt are bullshit. Give the guy a chance to defend himself. Secondly, whether he owned the server or merely leased it is irrelevant, there are still costs so the only real point in question is whether he lied about what the money and clicks would be used for and we should wait until he has a chance to respond before crucifying him.

Omega

Sixix
9th February 2007, 04:20 AM
SilverBakk im really disappointed, thats just low :(
its never been a secret that merv maintains the server that gets used for the LaCN clicker, but does it mean it doesnt cost anything? you cant buy a 150Ä computer, connect it to the internet using your 5Ä DSL flat rate and sell it as a server :ohboy:


do you even have a clue how much traffic a clicker produces? simply ask fury if running a clicker costs money and keep in mind that way more people were clicking on LaCN ;)

once more 90% of the posters dont even have a clue :p if i was merv i wouldnt even reply to this thread, its the most stupid thread lately!

Merv_LaCN`
9th February 2007, 04:35 AM
I replied in a new thread, since nobody was going to notice me in these posts anway...


http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=51330
(bake some popcorn, in case u already ran out)


ps, thanx SilverBakk, for throwing my privacy so out in the open..

bluud
9th February 2007, 04:44 AM
I've been at lacn the entire time this so called fraud happened.

I donated money for the server's cost. Merv never asked me directly, or asked anyone else directly to donate towards the server's cost. I havent regretted it a single second afterwards.

Wasnt the problem of a shortage of bandwith solved after some people donated ? I was clicking a lot on LaCN at that time, and there werent any problems with sending batches to server after that.

All of the accusations are false, and made out of a grudge. Not just towards LaCN, but out of general frustrations I image, and the feeling of a need to take someone down in upper lacn. Silverbakk has been demoted since he left chain, and since the beginning of the age, we have only supported inchain members. SB sees a conspiracy against him in this, directed by merv. However this is standard procedure.

As for the legal aspect of this, merv never ask for the donations, never said 'if you donate them, i'll guarantee 100% there will be no more clicking problems'. What's even more idiotic, the probmems WERE solved, and a donation is called a donation, because you expect nothing in return for it.

This is a giant kick below the belt. As I see it, there is nothing merv could actually post in here that would 'pove his innocence'.

Conpmana
9th February 2007, 06:00 AM
I waited to post on this topic until merv made his response, it seams to me he has spent a great deal of his own time and money and anyone that run's a business is entitled to try to make a profit. I highly doubt he has gotten far out of the red and how do you put a cost on ones time that is donated, even people that work for non-profit companies get paid. About the only thing he didnít reveal is total money received and total spent but as he said heís not opening his books to all of us. Merv if you made some money I say good for you, LACN clicker was the best clicker this age until all the fuss from PR and most that used it never paid a dime, I never did "I did make a donation to CW".

shibuii
9th February 2007, 06:10 AM
@viv - you're assuming that the hat0rz want to read. All they want to believe is what a disgruntled ex-clanmate with an axe to grind says.

If you haters go and read, you'll understand.

<end of line>

Gifflebip
9th February 2007, 06:40 AM
Doesn't really change the fact that the money was sent to buy memory upgrades for the server that were never purchased.

If that in fact was the agreement then he's still delinquent on his end of the bargain.

I do agree though that this seems now more like someone with an axe to grind came here to bash the dude. Things seem shady on both ends now and they've both been painted in a bad light.

Guess we'll wait and see who comes out smelling worse.

Custos
9th February 2007, 07:42 AM
As merv said go read his reply to silverbakk, and to be honest silverbakk should have more evidence to back such a huge claim up, now silverbakk if you have some proof then please post otherwise please give a public appology to Merv, here is Merv's thread:

http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=51330

this is just a game and when people make it personal i beleive you are taking it too far.

Conpmana
9th February 2007, 08:33 AM
Hell Personal they sent out the mounties on his ass


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8312/mountiesuz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SilverBakk
9th February 2007, 09:19 AM
Why dont you ask the kids that sent him money out of the goodness of their hearts...and there were many,some of them sent me PM's saying i sent this much,,etc etc.
This is not about merv or myself,this is about someone using his position to defraud and steal for kids in high school and University,and assuming that I would sit silent.
I still dont see even the slightest suggestion that he sorry,only excuses at why its OK...He is using LaCN and the people there to line his pockets,and I dont want my name associated with such a thing...from what what i see,he lied to others as well.
What I wanted was to have this in the open..and from mervs answers,now you understand the reason for my post...Mervs concern is for himself and nobody else...SilverBakk

Sanger
9th February 2007, 09:26 AM
He is using LaCN and the people there to line his pockets

That makes no sense. If he's lining his pockets, it's with 1 dollar bills. He absorbed the cost of buying the server, and whatever else went with it(hosting, etc) Merv isn't exactly getting rich here, as you'd like to have people believe. I'd be willing to be he's in the hole quite a lot for HIS monetary contributions to LaCN ;)

Conpmana
9th February 2007, 09:34 AM
Merv you need to put a notice on your sever "I'm not running a non profit organization here" I donít think you have it listed as such so like I said before if you come out ahead good for you, I donít see anyone else stepping up to provide a "free service"

Sanger
9th February 2007, 09:38 AM
Merv you need to put a notice on your sever "I'm not running a non profit organization here" I don’t think you have it listed as such so like I said before if you come out ahead good for you, I don’t see anyone else stepping up to provide a "free service"

People just love to get shit for free. I don't think most realize how much it actually costs to start and keep these recruiters running. 99.5% of KoC would never take such a financial risk. Though, I find it amazing how much shit recruiter owners take. LS, Venge, Fury, Merv, etc- They have all been flamed to hell for owning their recruiters, even though at their respective peaks they were all the best in the game, and EVERYONE depended on them.

Flame on! Start your own recruiter and then bitch :)

Kalki
9th February 2007, 09:44 AM
Now if this is true I'd have to re-evaluate the good impression I've had from Merv throughout all these years. :(

Although I don't see him having the server and getting donations even though it's not a real cost (cause the server gets older = him having spent $ on it and uses it for the alliance so that's fair enough) however the reason why people should donate should be clear.

snoop
9th February 2007, 09:45 AM
This thread is beginning to become rediculous with trolling, accusations of accumulations of great wealth from advertising, and other such stupidities. It should stop now; else I close it.

SilverSable
9th February 2007, 12:59 PM
I am going to close it for now so I can go through the whole thing and give warnings where needed. If I believe this needs to be permanently closed, then it will be.

Edit: Didn't have time to look at this today, will do it on Monday.

Krystin
9th February 2007, 08:58 PM
Reopened as I went through the posts, you've been told enough about flaming and trolling....well let me mention SPAM as well. Keep it on topic if you are going to post in this one, even though it seems the thread Merv made would be better to utilize for the continuation of this discussion.

Euthie
12th February 2007, 12:32 PM
What can I say to these posts....hmmm, so friggin' hard....lemme think it over......* /me thinks like 3 milliseconds*....:


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!O-W-N-E-D...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember all those lacn-slaves saying I was making up stuff last age (about the stolen credits, the fake proof about some peepz in my chain, about Tomsky, etc etc...way too much dirt) and that I was just being some dumb n00B (who had frustrated and pwned everyone ofcourse :))....well well...pitty the knowledge for most koc-players comes way too late...cuz, as(s) always, I was RIGHT...


LACN clicker being used to steal credits: NOOOOOOOO, that couldn't be.....only 'some' money :) LOL!!!!
LACN having loads of unfair armysizes: no wayyyyy, u're telling lies Euthie....u're the cheater here!! look at our fake proof (screens and logs which took them 48 hours to make :))
LACN taking on me and my chain: sure, cuz I was the cheater...*cough*

hell...I feell like coming back next age :)


@ shane - i'm waiting for euthie too, remember him saying i'll never do what he done or got, well guess what :P i done it better and soo wanna rub his nose in it :P


LMAO...our little Stes still has the power to dream it seems...good to c that...and he still thinks he can play along with the big ones?


What exactly have u done better Stes? being top elf at the end of an age? (NOPE...definitely not)...Being part of a clan that cheats there way up and steals money? (well, I bet u did that better..congratz)...being sabbed to pieces every day (well, I KNOW u did that better..me on the other hand, sorry I couldn't stop laughing after seeing all those lacn-slaves in my logs, failing and failing and failing)

What u did better for the rest?

except ofcourse for being sabbed day after day after day...and being some humble servant of lacn-credit/money-thieves

on the other hand...I feel a little sad for u...being part of a clan with such a bad/dark name...so sorry m8.. but hey, maybe u ever learn how to play decently like the great ones...*cough* (and plz...read my signature once more...I know u're jealous of it

good luck...and I might say: c u next age :rules:




to repeat once more..just for fun:

Well, Well, Well...seems I was right last age...as always...and I LOVE it, as always

Zeta-kun
12th February 2007, 02:15 PM
What can I say to these posts....hmmm, so friggin' hard....lemme think it over......* /me thinks like 3 milliseconds*....:


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!O-W-N-E-D...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember all those lacn-slaves saying I was making up stuff last age (about the stolen credits, the fake proof about some peepz in my chain, about Tomsky, etc etc...way too much dirt) and that I was just being some dumb n00B (who had frustrated and pwned everyone ofcourse :))....well well...pitty the knowledge for most koc-players comes way too late...cuz, as(s) always, I was RIGHT...


LACN clicker being used to steal credits: NOOOOOOOO, that couldn't be.....only 'some' money :) LOL!!!!
LACN having loads of unfair armysizes: no wayyyyy, u're telling lies Euthie....u're the cheater here!! look at our fake proof (screens and logs which took them 48 hours to make :))
LACN taking on me and my chain: sure, cuz I was the cheater...*cough*

hell...I feell like coming back next age :)



LMAO...our little Stes still has the power to dream it seems...good to c that...and he still thinks he can play along with the big ones?


What exactly have u done better Stes? being top elf at the end of an age? (NOPE...definitely not)...Being part of a clan that cheats there way up and steals money? (well, I bet u did that better..congratz)...being sabbed to pieces every day (well, I KNOW u did that better..me on the other hand, sorry I couldn't stop laughing after seeing all those lacn-slaves in my logs, failing and failing and failing)

What u did better for the rest?

except ofcourse for being sabbed day after day after day...and being some humble servant of lacn-credit/money-thieves

on the other hand...I feel a little sad for u...being part of a clan with such a bad/dark name...so sorry m8.. but hey, maybe u ever learn how to play decently like the great ones...*cough* (and plz...read my signature once more...I know u're jealous of it

good luck...and I might say: c u next age :rules:




to repeat once more..just for fun:

Well, Well, Well...seems I was right last age...as always...and I LOVE it, as always
seems euthie has problems...

mate, really, u need to pay attention at your info everything you just said makes no sence...

oldDarmael
12th February 2007, 04:09 PM
see, that also is a disgruntled post....

be a leader Euthie not a follower :P

Just because it is disgruntled, doesn't mean it is inaccurate. Merv, I will say this for you. You are a good con-man. To have such a great lady as your own personal cheerleader.

Oh, to be so worthy as to have my own cheerleader. If only I were smart enough and industrious enough to get my own server. Ah, forever a geek, but never a computer geek.

Euthie
12th February 2007, 04:13 PM
seems euthie has problems...

mate, really, u need to pay attention at your info everything you just said makes no sence...


well, let the people decide...why don't u start a poll with 2 options: 'Euthie was right' / 'Euthie was not right'...but get all the info in that post...we'll c :)



seems like every info I made public was a fact...u can handle it or not, easy as that...and why would I have any problems..I'm not even playing this age..I just wanted to cease the opportunity to laugh at the fact that I was right..

:) *cough*

Poltionorch
12th February 2007, 04:36 PM
What fact? What proof? Who are you, what time is this????? Moron...

Euthie
12th February 2007, 04:37 PM
What fact? What proof? Who are you, what time is this????? Moron...



lol, who we have here...ow yeah, the 2nd stes...as frustrated as the other one :)


what proof? what fact.....damn, u even need to ask...how sad

start the poll...or are u afraid? :)

Poltionorch
12th February 2007, 04:40 PM
omg, you actually think I'm the second Stes????? Man, I suddenly like you a whole lot better! ! ! !

And yes, what proof and what facts? Have you even bothered to learn about both sides of the story? Oh now, wait, I'm sorry, I forgot for a moment that you are Euthie and that everything that you pull out of your ass is nothing but the absolute truth and doesn't need to be proved! ! ! My bad...

Zeta-kun
12th February 2007, 04:52 PM
well, let the people decide...why don't u start a poll with 2 options: 'Euthie was right' / 'Euthie was not right'...but get all the info in that post...we'll c :)
mate, you just proved that common sense is the less common of all the senses.
anyway send me by pm all your alleged "facts" but please include everthing to back up your theories, please dont forget anything, we dont want you claiming i have hidden what u sent.



seems like every info I made public was a fact...u can handle it or not, easy as that...
here is where u have problems...
what info like the credit steals? the fake logs? .... its you who fails to prove it.
please read the posts on this thread
http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=51330
maybe you will understand a bit more what is going on...

Euthie
12th February 2007, 04:54 PM
omg, you actually think I'm the second Stes????? Man, I suddenly like you a whole lot better! ! ! !

And yes, what proof and what facts? Have you even bothered to learn about both sides of the story? Oh now, wait, I'm sorry, I forgot for a moment that you are Euthie and that everything that you pull out of your ass is nothing but the absolute truth and doesn't need to be proved! ! ! My bad...

thnx for proving my point...and for stating that I was right....hey, I like u a whole lot better 2 now :)

maybe if u keep up the good work, there'll be a time where u're able to play koc the good way :) :weights:

but as the 2nd stes....hmm...more training needed...or shoud I say 'more free credits needed'

Poltionorch
12th February 2007, 04:56 PM
Can you tell me exactely how I'm playing the wrong way? I must admit that I'm not nearly as good as you when it comes to stealing credits... Some of us can't even click on recruiters. But hey, I'm sure you're really proud that your account was the result of hours of nonstop clicking and hard work!

Euthie
12th February 2007, 05:02 PM
Can you tell me exactely how I'm playing the wrong way? I must admit that I'm not nearly as good as you when it comes to stealing credits... Some of us can't even click on recruiters. But hey, I'm sure you're really proud that your account was the result of hours of nonstop clicking and hard work!



thnx m8...it really does :) hours , hours and days, weeks and months of clicking paid of in the end..ofcourse, I could steal them from a recruiter but wpouldn't feel as good as I do now :)

and honest clicking brought me to the top-elf spot...so maybe that can be a motivation for ya..look at how stes plays and make a 180% angle...that might do it :saiyan:




please read the posts on this thread
http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=51330
maybe you will understand a bit more what is going on...


we all know how lacn can make logs and more logs....pitty it takes them loads of time to do so...makes me remember last age..where it took them 48 hours to 'compile' some proof against my chain :) pitty that the truth caught up with it

But like said before: I'm not playing this age, I'm having a long vacation..and enjoying it like a baby with a candy..and I surely hope everyone is enjoying this age of koc, cuz it should be the main reason for playing this game...

the lastest facts just caught my attention and people asked me to reply, which I did..


greetings

Poltionorch
12th February 2007, 05:05 PM
How about some proof of that? Damn, I did it again, asking for the only thing Euth the man can't pull out of his ass...

CrippledLucifer-
12th February 2007, 05:11 PM
we all know how lacn can make logs and more logs....pitty it takes them loads of time to do so...makes me remember last age..where it took them 48 hours to 'compile' some proof against my chain :) pitty that the truth caught up with it

But like said before: I'm not playing this age, I'm having a long vacation..and enjoying it like a baby with a candy..and I surely hope everyone is enjoying this age of koc, cuz it should be the main reason for playing this game...

the lastest facts just caught my attention and people asked me to reply, which I did..


greetings

proof against your chain? didn't admins ban you and several of your chain for cheating? :lmao:

anyways, this thread has nothing to do with your accusations of TGF stealing clicks. just take the time to read it before posting the same crap you've posted in any other thread that has anyhting to do with LaCN 6 months later. and the fact you're accusing TGF of stealing creds doesnt mean it's the truth. like we've told ya a gazillion times, either prove it or be quiet. funny how fake clickers like you can claim the moral high ground :lmao:

Zeta-kun
12th February 2007, 05:21 PM
we all know how lacn can make logs and more logs....pitty it takes them loads of time to do so...makes me remember last age..where it took them 48 hours to 'compile' some proof against my chain :) pitty that the truth caught up with it

did i just said you dont make sense?
"we all know how lacn can make logs "
we all? we who? at least not me.. really.. please mate stop the generalization of your dreams... or might it be that by "we" you mean that only you ?

"we all know how lacn can make logs and more logs ...makes me remember last age"
what makes you remember last age? su see u didnt read the post on the link i gave you... in that post there is no logs so please tell me how can be the two situations similar cos i fail to see any correlation in both...

Euthie
12th February 2007, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE=CrippledLucifer-;907726]proof against your chain? didn't admins ban you and several of your chain for cheating? :lmao:
[QUOTE]


good point bringing that up...weren't T0msky, TGF, and LOTS of others in the ES/LaCN chain suspended for sveeral days for cheating? :) good point lucifer

CrippledLucifer-
12th February 2007, 06:07 PM
[QUOTE=CrippledLucifer-;907726]proof against your chain? didn't admins ban you and several of your chain for cheating? :lmao:
[QUOTE]


good point bringing that up...weren't T0msky, TGF, and LOTS of others in the ES/LaCN chain suspended for sveeral days for cheating? :) good point lucifer

yes suspended (except for t0msky). there's a difference

http://www.kingsofchaos.com/age6_final_stats.php?jump=&search_type=s&search=euthie-

i hope you understand :lmao:

PS: how convenient you only quoted the part you could come up with a half-assed counter-accusation ;) thats what you get when you have no proof to back up your words and can't even read this thread to understand what you're posting has nothing to do with it.

Euthie
12th February 2007, 06:24 PM
[QUOTE=Euthie;907736][QUOTE=CrippledLucifer-;907726]proof against your chain? didn't admins ban you and several of your chain for cheating? :lmao:


yes suspended (except for t0msky). there's a difference

http://www.kingsofchaos.com/age6_final_stats.php?jump=&search_type=s&search=euthie-

i hope you understand :lmao:

PS: how convenient you only quoted the part you could come up with a half-assed counter-accusation ;) thats what you get when you have no proof to back up your words and can't even read this thread to understand what you're posting has nothing to do with it.


funny how u try to change the subject...while everyone who played that age knows I got hacked....

or wait now..I was banned without a single reason giving (while I stated on GUA that I cheated in my first age, age 3 beta if I remember correctly but not in that age)...funny how all people who were sabbing lacn to pieces got banned...I guess it was a last resort for lacn, after begging for a truce (or trying to retaliate...so damn funny :))

seems like I've been away quite a long time...only 2 things I remembered: 1) me being top of a race in age 4 and 2) lacn's dirty deals in previous age :D feels good to refresh my memory


btw: I hope u c my point here:

http://www.kingsofchaos.com/age6_final_stats.php?jump=&search_type=s&search=Crippled

ms_fishy
13th February 2007, 09:09 AM
you guys are still at it? since i got time to kill this morning i'll point out whats right and whats wrong with ESLACN

IMO, they are the best and worst kind of alliance on koc - one good thing is that they are one of the most active clans around and the bad things lol.. are just bad

1. their click business was nasty cause they made it sure they could turn clicks into real cash - judging from their gameplay, it wouldnt be a big surprise if they were stealing people's clicks or just made them up - im not saying with absolute certainty they did it cause they run business extra hush hush.. just saying there was a good possibility that they did - how do i come to this conclusion? simply cause they werent and arent a clicking clan but had managed to produce gazillion clicks when they ran their recruiter, kinda yikes

2. i read that part about chain members buying clicks with cash - lets set aside the origins of the clicks - this part is still .. umm.. sad - i mean yah its their choice how they spend money but buying clicks with money to get ahead in a free online game? seems the clan culture is like.. gimme money and we'll help you grow, hmmmm

3. their gameplay is mean - well let me just say meanies are okay cause BSS are game villains as well - our difference is that clan like BSS face many constraints because they are normal koc players (most of them dont click madly and i doubt they spend money for clicks and so on) and the leader makes clear that he doesnt tolerate dodgy business so in short we can only damage peoples accounts to the limit the game allows - ESLACN got the best deal here cause of growth through obscure dealings and click buying with cash and also they hold dear this as-long-as-we-don't-get-caught-we-are-okay culture and as seen time and again here they are the type that would lie through their teeth or invent the most creative cover-up stories (they said they came clean this age and just the other day someone was showing logs of certain core LACN account buying 93 nunchakus every 3 turns on the exact minute - im not naming names cause i dont want a yellow stripe but many know who that is) - anyway, the point is with powerful accounts + mean gameplay + sneakiness it made them ultra powerful on koc, and not in a good way - for example, do you want to be sabbed by people like me that click all by themselves and built their account the hard way or do you want to be sabbed by ESLACN butt-kicking sab accounts built from cash or obscure growth? which one tastes better?

4. i think silverbakk is an alright guy - is he a disgrunted ex-member? yes but his posts aint all made-up - use a little brain and read between the lines what we learn from this thread is how ESLACN operate - power, greed, cash, lies, secrets are at the core of the story ;)

NardHipples
13th February 2007, 10:01 AM
2. i read that part about chain members buying clicks with cash - lets set aside the origins of the clicks - this part is still .. umm.. sad - i mean yah its their choice how they spend money but buying clicks with money to get ahead in a free online game? seems the clan culture is like.. gimme money and we'll help you grow, hmmmm
lol instead of donating for nothing to help merv with the costs, they donated by buying clicks. seems like that was more of a nice thing to do to benefit both sides rather than something that is "sad".

Loki-of-Chaos
13th February 2007, 10:59 AM
lol instead of donating for nothing to help merv with the costs, they donated by buying clicks. seems like that was more of a nice thing to do to benefit both sides rather than something that is "sad".

No, it's still sad, in fact borderline pathetic. The last thing any of KoC needed were more es/lacn "badasses" chortling how uber they are with their bought accts. I feel sorry for the decent players there who actually play the game. Hmmm, my tax return should be here anyday, what can I get for $500?

Nice summary Fishlady :goldfish:

NardHipples
13th February 2007, 11:27 AM
No, it's still sad, in fact borderline pathetic. The last thing any of KoC needed were more es/lacn "badasses" chortling how uber they are with their bought accts.
the credits that were bought were all donated by es/lacn members anyway i believe.

Sixix
13th February 2007, 12:04 PM
liziy arent you happy anymore in BSS? you always sound so frustrated... you should pay BSS some more attention and stop to admire every other alliance.
otherwise the toilet claw might get you one day :toilet_cl



1. their click business was nasty cause they made it sure they could turn clicks into real cash - judging from their gameplay, it wouldnt be a big surprise if they were stealing people's clicks or just made them up - im not saying with absolute certainty they did it cause they run business extra hush hush.. just saying there was a good possibility that they did - how do i come to this conclusion? simply cause they werent and arent a clicking clan but had managed to produce gazillion clicks when they ran their recruiter, kinda yikeshmm liziy, if i remember right you did test LaCN clicker last age and you had a 100% return unlike on other clickers...
your post should be still on GUA just incase you did forget about it already.
we are a big chain and infact we have had the top clickers last age and we still have them. TGF still has the top growth even without using our clicker anymore. somehow there must be a loop in your argumentation. anyway its funny that you still come up with the same stuff. perhaps you could try to underline your points with a new excel sheet :D


2. i read that part about chain members buying clicks with cash - lets set aside the origins of the clicks - this part is still .. umm.. sad - i mean yah its their choice how they spend money but buying clicks with money to get ahead in a free online game? seems the clan culture is like.. gimme money and we'll help you grow, hmmmmyeah the online game is for free, but somebody has to pay the bills for the reruiter. i dont know how you could have missed that, but they dont come for free, even if its a service for a free online game :p merv did post all transfers to the LaCN-FamilyBank, there is nothing shady about it. its not just LaCN members who donated the clicks, there are also some happy clicker user who felt like supporting the clicker a bit. btw not all buyers are LaCN so arent all money donators either. have you ever supported any recruiter? or is it out of question for you cos others shall pay for it, since its a free online game?


3. their gameplay is mean - well let me just say meanies are okay cause BSS are game villains as well - our difference is that clan like BSS face many constraints because they are normal koc players (most of them dont click madly and i doubt they spend money for clicks and so on) and the leader makes clear that he doesnt tolerate dodgy business so in short we can only damage peoples accounts to the limit the game allows - ESLACN got the best deal here cause of growth through obscure dealings and click buying with cash and also they hold dear this as-long-as-we-don't-get-caught-we-are-okay culture and as seen time and again here they are the type that would lie through their teeth or invent the most creative cover-up stories (they said they came clean this age and just the other day someone was showing logs of certain core LACN account buying 93 nunchakus every 3 turns on the exact minute - im not naming names cause i dont want a yellow stripe but many know who that is) - anyway, the point is with powerful accounts + mean gameplay + sneakiness it made them ultra powerful on koc, and not in a good way - for example, do you want to be sabbed by people like me that click all by themselves and built their account the hard way or do you want to be sabbed by ESLACN butt-kicking sab accounts built from cash or obscure growth? which one tastes better?hmm what was the name of your head account again? but perhaps he wasnt BSS... ;)
kudos for complaining about somebody who spends on every 3rd turn. somehow that sounds like you are not spending anymore on the second 18hrs a day lol

Zeta-kun
13th February 2007, 12:57 PM
1. their click business was nasty cause they made it sure they could turn clicks into real cash

the cash was meant to help pay the server cost.
we all know that there are a lot of underage players and people where who live in a country where paypal dont make bussenes they cant conate to the server cost even if they want so they donate clicks so anyone can buy them for real cash. they are both suporting the recruiter that helps grow all koc players. if all the players were just lechers, who just click and give nothing in return, the recruiter would go down pretty fast.



2. i read that part about chain members buying clicks with cash - lets set aside the origins of the clicks - this part is still .. umm.. sad - i mean yah its their choice how they spend money but buying clicks with money to get ahead in a free online game? seems the clan culture is like.. gimme money and we'll help you grow, hmmmm
any koc player was able to buy credits, its has been made evident cos other out of chain buyers have said so, i'm pretty surpriced you forgot about it but i guess you have a selective memory. I think the main intention for lacn member to buy clicks is to help mantain the recruiter... you know if noone buys the credits the donation made by kids would have not helped at all. its a win - win situation... so in fact they bough credits to let you get 500k TFF



3. ... ESLACN got the best deal here cause of growth through obscure dealings
obscure dealings? rofl could you list who were your officers and commanders this age? it was pretty surpricing seing you defending a known cheater with the ilusional "he is clean this age" stuff when he was you officer....


(they said they came clean this age and just the other day someone was showing logs of certain core LACN account buying 93 nunchakus every 3 turns on the exact minute -
and it is said by a player who spent at the exact turn every turn for quite a lot of time.

Gifflebip
13th February 2007, 01:15 PM
Wow, it's hard to believe this is still going on, I'm pretty surprised this thread isn't locked cause the last like..20 posts are just well whatever.

On topic: If Merv had been honest up front with exactly where the money was going none of this would've happened. You can't really debate that. It's not about how much it costs to run a server or how many people "donated" willingly it's about the dishonesty involved in taking money and saying it's for one thing but then using it for another.

The money might have ended up in the same place but that doesn't make it any less dishonest. He told Silverbakk (if you believe what SB says mind you) that the money was going for a server upgrade. The money didn't go to that. There's no way around realizing that he lied. You can sympathize with him and maybe he's a generous guy for running a server for tons of people he doesn't know but that still doesn't change the fact that instead of being honest he used the money for purposes for which the donator had not intended.

The point is, when you take money from someone, tell them exactly what they're paying for. Don't take the money and then make an end run and use it for something else. It doesn't matter if what the person paid for and what the money was used for are tangentially related, it's still dishonest. If these other issues are taking such priority there's no shame in telling the truth about it up front Could've saved all these nice folks 13 pages of innane conversation.

ms_fishy
13th February 2007, 02:44 PM
liziy arent you happy anymore in BSS? you always sound so frustrated... you should pay BSS some more attention and stop to admire every other alliance.

LOL, sixix - most know i play with BSS for love, account of my caliber will be just fine everywhere in koc but i chose to play with people who never give me sells or credits - ask others that i made growth/click deal with (griff/ matty)- i promised to honor the deal but never loyalty - that's been pledged to only one clan ^^

and yah, i admire ESLACN for having quite a few active players that will do anything for clan but other than that im afraid you have very little worth commending ;)



hmm liziy, if i remember right you did test LaCN clicker last age and you had a 100% return unlike on other clickers...

well, CW was effed up big time last age and early this age with that counting every click instead just successful clicks - i heard many were using tranparent proxies to do 50 lists a day (giving very little real men) on CW and 1 list on LACN (giving all real men)- thanks to venge he came to his sense

but dont forget that LACN had a big problem of missing/lost/misreported clicks - in other words many of us may have clicked 1100 links and got 1000 credits and so on - i think LACN leadership had said the clicks were truly lost and not funneled to any accounts and tbh i'd like to believe it... until.. you lost your recruiter and we found out that you guys arent real serious clickers - you had some fancy explanations somewhere too - but common sense will tell you that once a mad clicker, always a mad clicker - saying "because DDL isn't my clan recruiter, i dont want to click no more" just doesn't fly with me



we are a big chain and infact we have had the top clickers last age and we still have them. TGF still has the top growth even without using our clicker anymore. somehow there must be a loop in your argumentation.

lol because we've been pointing out in TRD that you've stopped growing after the loss of your recruiter and it looks so dubious - you guys been buying DDL credits like crazy to prove that you still got growth and good nuff to beat henry's - best clickers in the game buying all available clicks in the market and not clicking themselves no more? who are you kidding? let me tell you one thing, people who buy billions worth of clicks they buy because they can't/ dont click by themselves and most people (cept very few) who can click 10-30k a day would rather go less on sleep to click than losing their banked weapons and getting farmed - if they do buy, they dont sell entire armory to buy something they can make busload themselves - now you know why i think what you are doing smells fouler than ms_fishy herself


have you ever supported any recruiter? or is it out of question for you cos others shall pay for it, since its a free online game?

i support a recruiter by using it, giving them butt-kicking clickbacks, and telling people how good it is if its really good - would i pay for it with money? NO would i buy game credits or gold with money? NO would i help a recruiter with credits? MAYBE if i like recruiter admins ;)



hmm what was the name of your head account again? but perhaps he wasnt BSS... ;)

have you been smoking something? my koc name is littleguppy ROFL



kudos for complaining about somebody who spends on every 3rd turn. somehow that sounds like you are not spending anymore on the second 18hrs a day lol

lol, i've seen turk AB and it banks every turn leaving less than 749,000 gold every time - this one is different - you remember b00kemdano posted how matt's gold got banked at certain time for pre-specified # of weapons? i've seen the logs of one of LACN core accounts that looks just like that pm me pwetty please if you know where it comes from - ms_fishy is dying of curiosity

93 chucks every 3 turns and the leftover gold doesnt get banked no matter if it is 2 mil or 40 mil - the guy must have suspected he was being watched so he sold 2 bil SA to raise sentry so his gold couldnt be seen

i asked the person who showed me the logs why he didnt tell remco about it and the response was that account was a good farm when AB got turned off and that remco and the guy were from the same country - maybe someone need to bypass remco to aman himself ^^

well, why am i telling you this - just in case there is some off chance you dont know everything about your core accounts ;)


obscure dealings? rofl could you list who were your officers and commanders this age? it was pretty surpricing seing you defending a known cheater with the ilusional "he is clean this age" stuff when he was you officer....

well, you know how temperamental bon can be about cheating in BSS chain so i checked and checked before i struck a deal with matt and brought him in chain, the guy most likely didn't fakeclick and i remember seeing his random gold many times - i didn't suspect him to be using AB at all, either i wasn't quick enough to notice that his gold got banked for certain # of weapons or he didn't use AB back then - my guess is that he turned the AB on in revenge after DW and UO conn'd him off gold - and by then he was out of BSS chain a quite sometimes already
but do correct me if im wrong

and no, im not entirely fanatic about people's cheating - in fact if friends do, i shrug it off most of the times but i wont ever knowingly bring people who use AB or fakeclick into BSS chain because if bon hears about it, that person gets kicked, making it awkward for everyone in chain

PS: for sixix and zeta, its common knowledge i use fishy AB - works 18-19 hrs a day and it's auto off when i close my eyes or go on a movie date - 50 people must have reported my awesome coding skill and admins looked and looked.. finally they decided i was too sexy to be banned or suspended and ignored my AB - you want to sign up? :heart:

Rags
14th February 2007, 10:09 AM
until.. you lost your recruiter and we found out that you guys arent real serious clickers - you had some fancy explanations somewhere too - but common sense will tell you that once a mad clicker, always a mad clicker - saying "because DDL isn't my clan recruiter, i dont want to click no more" just doesn't fly with me


As most of you know I used to be highly ranked within LaCN. The only rank higher than mine was Leader. I can state with 100% honesty that if there was any click stealing it was done without the knowledge of the rest of the alliance. I dont really for 1 second believe that there was though. I clicked a lot on LaCN clicker and when it was banned I stopped clicking. At the time I didnt know about DDL and as we were at war with PR I wasnt about to use CW either. I know that many people in LaCN felt the same.

I'd also like to point out that LaCN had over 1600 links in it's prime....when I first started clicking DDL just before christmas it had about 600. over 1k links difference is going to make a difference in growth no matter how madly you click.

C Henry
14th February 2007, 11:05 AM
As most of you know I used to be highly ranked within LaCN. The only rank higher than mine was Leader. I can state with 100% honesty that if there was any click stealing it was done without the knowledge of the rest of the alliance. I dont really for 1 second believe that there was though. I clicked a lot on LaCN clicker and when it was banned I stopped clicking. At the time I didnt know about DDL and as we were at war with PR I wasnt about to use CW either. I know that many people in LaCN felt the same.

I'd also like to point out that LaCN had over 1600 links in it's prime....when I first started clicking DDL just before christmas it had about 600. over 1k links difference is going to make a difference in growth no matter how madly you click.

DDL has over 1200 links >_<

http://www.kocplanet.com/d/index.php?do=quickwatch&ids=1684,2474,218,556,4124,604,2666,3610&w=2

or

http://www.kocplanet.com/d/index.php?do=quickwatch&ids=2474,218,4124,604,2666,3610&w=2

Sixix
14th February 2007, 01:34 PM
tho the click back rate seems to go down as it was more than 2200 and now its less than 1800 for the top rated clickers...

anyway ill close this thread aswell as it seems like everybody who felt like posting did so... its getting more and more off topic and repetitive. if the involved persons got something usefull to add they can PM any mod to open the thread again.