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Advent
5th September 2004, 07:08 AM
This is by far the best game I've ever played.. It accurately prophecizes the future if things go on like they are currently (Corporate ruling, increase in terrorism and bioterrorism). Another thing I enjoyed about this game is the fact that there are so many mystical references.. It's basically a creation myth. For example, you've got the Illuminati (A sect that seeked global domination in the 1700s - 1900s), Majestic 12 (an apparent group that covered up alien activity in Roswell in the 1970s to the 1990s), heck, alot of references to groups that actually existed.

Another great aspect about this game is the fact that there are very, very many ways to gain what you want, and the alternate endings are kickass. For example, you can slaughter your way to your destiny, or you can try to sneak by terrorists. Even opening doors have various possibilities -- Do you stealthily try to hack the keypad? Do you try to pick the lock? Or do you blow down the door with a grenade and kill whoever is guarding it? Or do you find a ventilation shaft around it?

Anubis
5th September 2004, 07:31 AM
It was a pretty good game for its time, but there could have been improvements. I could have helped design a better game; I already had an idea of combining FPS and RPG. Too bad Ion Storm was in the game business before I can be.

Dynellen Unholy
5th September 2004, 07:38 AM
Deus ex was great game, there were many ways to get around the game, only bad side I´d mention is there wasn´t anywhere near ammos given I was rifle specialist but I played like 60% of the game with a pistol because if I would´ve used my actual rifles I would´ve always been out of ammos.

The multiple endings were nice addition but too hard to accomplish, I never figured how to succesfully finish the game other way than joining with that computer.

Advent
5th September 2004, 07:45 AM
Deus ex was great game, there were many ways to get around the game, only bad side I´d mention is there wasn´t anywhere near ammos given I was rifle specialist but I played like 60% of the game with a pistol because if I would´ve used my actual rifles I would´ve always been out of ammos.

The multiple endings were nice addition but too hard to accomplish, I never figured how to succesfully finish the game other way than joining with that computer.

See, I couldn't even get to the third level without cheating. So, I played the game once using cheats, found the storyline so fucking awesome, that I decided to PSP (Play, save, play) without cheating. I saved the game every 5 minutes and eventually accomplished two of the four endings. I didnt want to continue playing so I used the "legend" cheat to see the other two endings..

Anubis
5th September 2004, 08:04 AM
You couldn't pass leevl 3 without cheating? There was probably some better way aroudn something that you missed; that's the cool thing about the game. Deus Ex 2 does this even better, but I think Deus Ex 2 also has a lot of thigns worse than the first.

Advent
5th September 2004, 08:18 AM
You couldn't pass leevl 3 without cheating? There was probably some better way aroudn something that you missed; that's the cool thing about the game. Deus Ex 2 does this even better, but I think Deus Ex 2 also has a lot of thigns worse than the first.

Like I said, on the second run I did it without cheating, but using PSP. The thing about Deus Ex 2 is that they basically adressed it to a more general, less sophisticated audience. Deus Ex II is basically a point-shoot-play game, whereas Deus Ex I was alot more intelligent, in my view..

Splat
5th September 2004, 08:20 AM
I haven't played the Original Deus EX, but I though Invisible War was pretty fun.

Anubis
5th September 2004, 08:21 AM
Maybe... but I got Deus Ex II on Xbox, where there's no such thing as a point-and-click game. I can't stand point-and-click. Maybe that's why I can't stand Half-Life games. Or most PC shooters, for that matter.

Splat, you gotta go play the original.

White_Hindu
5th September 2004, 10:54 AM
It may just be me, but it seems like the story for Deus Ex doesn't really flow together.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

Was Bob Page planning to take over the world from the beginning? Who WAS Bob Page other than some rich dude with his hand in the Biomodification department?

What about Walton Simons? I thought he worked for PETA or whatever. The game is fun, but it seems like the second one just flows together a lot more smoothly.

Anubis
5th September 2004, 12:13 PM
Probably just you... seems to me that it flowed together well.

_outlaw
5th September 2004, 01:37 PM
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!
























Bob Page was always trying to take over the world.

Simons worked for Bob Page

the first time through i didnt get it as well but ive played it through at least three times so... yeah.

Anubis
5th September 2004, 02:41 PM
I've only played it once, but it all seemed to make sense to me... oh well.

Biomods are cool. What's that tool called again? That you use for leverage? That you can break crates open with? And bash people in the face with?

Dari
5th September 2004, 02:43 PM
Deus Ex: Invisible War was a great game. But some things weren't good. The universal ammo thing really pissed me off. And some of the characters were a bit bland.

Anubis
5th September 2004, 02:49 PM
It was a pretty good game. But that's it. Some things were good improvements, other things really could have used some work.

Advent
6th September 2004, 05:26 AM
I've only played it once, but it all seemed to make sense to me... oh well.

Biomods are cool. What's that tool called again? That you use for leverage? That you can break crates open with? And bash people in the face with?


You must mean a crowbar... Its fun to smash peoples face in :)

I want to ask you guys what you thought of the original storyline in Deus Ex 1.. Did you feel the authors portrayed the possible future accurately?



BIG SPOILER BELOW

The thing I loved, was the fact that the future really seemed realistic. We have problems with corporate power today already, along with consolidation. In the first mission, the terrorist leader talks about how Corporations have all the power now, and if you look at VersaLife and Bob Page, you can really see what's going on.

You've also got France (!) rebelling against the United States, which is similar to the current war in Iraq, and the bombing of the statue of liberty basically takes the current diplomatic conflict between the US and France to a whole new level.

Fema taking over the US government with RX-84 seems pretty far-fetched, though apparently there really was a conspiracy.. Oh, and of course the two groups MJ12 and the Illuminati were a great choice, as they factually exist.

What was your favorite mission, btw?


Was Bob Page planning to take over the world from the beginning? Who WAS Bob Page other than some rich dude with his hand in the Biomodification department?

What about Walton Simons? I thought he worked for PETA or whatever. The game is fun, but it seems like the second one just flows together a lot more smoothly.

Bob Page was part of the Illuminati, a conspiracy that actually existed and whose sole purpose was to create a new world order by bribing bankers, etc.. If you look at your dollar bill, you can see a pyramid (http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/illuminati/illuminati.jpg) with an eye, and the words NOVuS ORDO SECLORUM, "New World Order" in latin. That's the sign of the actual Illuminati..

Anyway, back to the story.. So, Bob Page decided he was too enlightened, too illumined, and decided he would try to take over the US government himself. So, he broke off and joined and eventually took over Majestic 12 (http://www.majesticdocuments.com/). He got together with Bob Page, head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA (http://www.fema.gov/), and they schemed to use the United Nations to take over the world, creating a centralized government dictated by Bob Page, using the much debated Echelon (http://www.unesco.org/webworld/observatory/in_focus/290302_echelon.html) System.

Due to an attack on the statue of liberty, UNATCO, the United Nations Anti Terrorism Coalition was formed. Page wants to use it as his new private army. And the rest really doesn't need an explanation.

Anubis
6th September 2004, 09:15 AM
International Corporations are the powers now. With democracy, too much information is out in the open. With private corporations, all the vital information can be kept secret.


I went to all three endings. Save. Went to one, finished, loaded up the save, finished, loaded up the save, finished.

ArchedEdge
6th September 2004, 09:17 AM
That's what i did, and when i played, i infiltrated it, then i went out and stormed it, killing everybody in order to gain the best amount of skill points.

Anubis
6th September 2004, 09:32 AM
Deus Ex 2 has 4-5 different endings, all good ones for the most part. A lot of the stuff they did was genius, and a lot really wasn't... if it were improved with a little more common sense, it could have been completely awesome.

ArchedEdge
6th September 2004, 09:36 AM
Like the fact that you used the same ammo for every single weapon in the game? At least that's what my friend tells me. I got DX2, but i don#t have a good enough graphics card to play it. I need one that's at least twice as good.

White_Hindu
6th September 2004, 11:27 AM
I'm such a pimp when it comes to the endings of Deus Ex.

I'm a sucker when it comes to deciding who to put into power, so long story short, I always choose the ending where you kill 'em all. Invisible War, too. I put the Omar into power because they were the only ones not telling me what to do.

Advent
6th September 2004, 11:39 AM
Haha.. Well, I don't know, Tracer Tongs version really did sound like overkill. The AI, I really didn't trust, I actually thought it was a trap when I first played the game, and thought that Bob Page would take over the world if you helped it.. The Illuminati one seemed best, because, heck, even with 21st Century Capitalism, it's still better than a stone age.

The "Danceparty" ending really sucked cock.. They could at least have showed some more skin.. For those who dont know what the hell I'm talking about, use the "Legend" cheat.

And yes, Anubis is right.. Corporations have more power than ever.

Anubis
6th September 2004, 11:42 AM
You could've kill the Omar, too! The fun part is that you decide the ending and you finish it. Some games sucker you into a miniscule decision that goes to a set ending, which kind of sucks. Like KotOR basically made you kill Darth Malak, but let you go one of two ways, and you could only control to go to one of the two. They should have let you go a little further, but they didn't.

Mars, that post was very respectable, worthy of a good reputation. I commend you.

White_Hindu
6th September 2004, 12:19 PM
If you've seen the movie 'The Manchurian Candidate' you can see ties between that and Deus Ex(invisible war I'm thinking). There's a company in the movie called Manchurian Global, and they make medicines, provide psychiactric help, create new technologies for the home and the battlefield, and then decided to train soldiers that the Americans could use. A lot like the Illuminati of Deus Ex 2 that controlled everything.

Advent
6th September 2004, 12:28 PM
If you've seen the movie 'The Manchurian Candidate' you can see ties between that and Deus Ex(invisible war I'm thinking). There's a company in the movie called Manchurian Global, and they make medicines, provide psychiactric help, create new technologies for the home and the battlefield, and then decided to train soldiers that the Americans could use. A lot like the Illuminati of Deus Ex 2 that controlled everything.

Fits perfectly -- The idea is having 21st Century Capitalism all over again, only much more extreme..

And thank you Anubis, but I have to spread some reputation around before I can give you some :p

And you're right on target. The alternate endings and alternate gameplay really made the game enjoyable, even if you played it four or five times. See, you play something like Jedi Knight, and you know the ending, and basically everything is a linear story, you've played it once and it's "Seen it once, seen them all".. Deus Ex is not like that. Every move has a consequence, which is really beautifully visible if you look at the many game flags/variables they had.. (Again, using the "legend" cheat)

My question to you is this: Which part of Deus Ex 1 did you like best? The Storyline, gameplay, graphics, play style (FPS combined with RPG) or audio?

Dynellen Unholy
6th September 2004, 01:47 PM
Fits perfectly -- The idea is having 21st Century Capitalism all over again, only much more extreme..

And thank you Anubis, but I have to spread some reputation around before I can give you some :p

And you're right on target. The alternate endings and alternate gameplay really made the game enjoyable, even if you played it four or five times. See, you play something like Jedi Knight, and you know the ending, and basically everything is a linear story, you've played it once and it's "Seen it once, seen them all".. Deus Ex is not like that. Every move has a consequence, which is really beautifully visible if you look at the many game flags/variables they had.. (Again, using the "legend" cheat)

My question to you is this: Which part of Deus Ex 1 did you like best? The Storyline, gameplay, graphics, play style (FPS combined with RPG) or audio?

I liked the storyline and also loved the more or less unique places the game had. But I hated the way inventory was implemented, I wanted that missile launcher against those nasty big robots, but because of having it I never had enough inventory space to carry a single item I needed to progress on it.

But the best thing was freedom in my opinion, should I attack straight to that house, or sneak in by roof or....

Anubis
6th September 2004, 02:09 PM
Hmm... you must be talking about the new Manchurian Candidate. Mars, I know the feeling... same here.

The idea of FPS and RPG together is genius, though I already made it up in my mind and they executing the idea quite poorly. The gameplay and storyline were great, as there were quite a few original ideas that worked out quite well.

_outlaw
6th September 2004, 06:41 PM
they did the FPS/RPG combo extremely well. How could you have done it any better? its perfectly pulled off.

Made it up in your mind? umm... the game is pretty old so...

the inventory system was pretty good. In fact i thought it was one of the best ones ive seen... much better than invisible War

Anubis
6th September 2004, 06:56 PM
The FPS didn't have too much RPG in it. I could have done it better in numerous ways, but I also would have changed it in numerous ways that may or may not have necessarily been better.

Advent
8th September 2004, 02:19 AM
The FPS didn't have too much RPG in it. I could have done it better in numerous ways, but I also would have changed it in numerous ways that may or may not have necessarily been better.

How would you have changed it?

And thanks for everyones input. I myself LOVED the storyline. I swear to god that if Deus Ex were a book, I would buy it immediately.. Actually, any word on the movie they said they were going to be making?

The FPS/RPG combination was great, alot more useful than RPGs like Diablo, but also alot more intelligent than just point-and-shoot games like Counterstrike or Half-Life.

The Inventory was realistic, or more realistic than other games. It's impossible for someone to carry a rocket launcher, a rifle, a few handguns, grenades, a lightsaber, etc, like you can in Jedi Knight II. Even Deus Ex was mighty generous with what you could carry. I think the inventory was good, as it added realism to the entire thing.

Did anyone try the Multiplayer thing? I don't have a network set up yet, but from what I see, the multiplayer scenario sucks... No RPG at all, you don't even have to open doors, and you can carry 4 weapons, no matter what weapons.. Meaning you could take a rocket launcher, an assault rifle, a LAW, loads of unrealistic stuff.

And another thing, they removed the inventory! WTF is up with that?

_outlaw
8th September 2004, 04:24 PM
the internet kinda sucked... strafe with the sniper rifle and you win...

(i heard of a Deus Ex movie but that rumor is unconfirmed)

Advent
10th September 2004, 05:40 AM
Hrhrhrhr.. The movie script is written by someone called Gregor Puss..

Writer Greg Puss hase been talking about writing the movie adaptation of the game Deus Ex for Columbia Pictures "I'm sort of learning as I go at this because I started it based on the original game, using JC as the central character, as the hero figure, and even starting it before the game started. Now with 2 coming out, I'm kind of learning as I go with everybody else how much can be included and...good aspects of it 'cause there's a lot to it. The movie's to me more about character, than things exploding. For me I had to center it around JC Denton. He's a real movie star kind of guy. Most of the data's culled from the first game"

Amen. Thats the awesome thing that I liked about the game.. Not all "shootz" lololol "boom"

JC and Paul were very in-depth.. I particularly liked Sam Carter, I think he was very, very similar to Proffessor Faber in Fahrenheit 451. I haven't played Deus Ex II yet -- What role, if any, does Sam Carter play in it?

The movie seems really, really good. I can't wait for it to come out... More infos here (http://www.megagames.com/news/html/movies/columbiatomakedeusexmovie.shtml).

Anubis
10th September 2004, 01:43 PM
Mars, first, I would add more to the story. The whole coporation thing was good, but it shouldn't really have ended there. Secondly, there could have been more character choices and different, less-restricting ways of character development. Basically, it would have more of a RPG element than it originally did. The inventory thing was certainly good, but remember that it can't be completely realistic in that aspect if the game doesn't provide storage spaces.

I don't quite remember who Sam Carter was, but I don't think he's in Invisible War. Rest assured that the Illuminati found their way to stay around, though, and the storyline, in smaller aspects if you take the time to look, is amazing in some ways politically. Also, the game also basically says that J.C. Denton caused the Collapse.... figure out what the Collapse is for yourself in the game, and what happened.

Additionally, in Deus Ex, in the last level when you're walking through the place J.C. was made, you can come upon a being that is in the middle of creation that is named A. Denton. The character in Invisible War is named Alex D. Put two and two together...

Advent
11th September 2004, 08:51 AM
Mars, first, I would add more to the story. The whole coporation thing was good, but it shouldn't really have ended there. Secondly, there could have been more character choices and different, less-restricting ways of character development. Basically, it would have more of a RPG element than it originally did. The inventory thing was certainly good, but remember that it can't be completely realistic in that aspect if the game doesn't provide storage spaces.

I don't quite remember who Sam Carter was, but I don't think he's in Invisible War. Rest assured that the Illuminati found their way to stay around, though, and the storyline, in smaller aspects if you take the time to look, is amazing in some ways politically. Also, the game also basically says that J.C. Denton caused the Collapse.... figure out what the Collapse is for yourself in the game, and what happened.

Additionally, in Deus Ex, in the last level when you're walking through the place J.C. was made, you can come upon a being that is in the middle of creation that is named A. Denton. The character in Invisible War is named Alex D. Put two and two together...

Yeah, I know.. They also had clones from Walton Simons DNA, and from Bob Pages.. Do their clones return in Invisible War?

Sam Carter was the Quartermaster of UNATCO. JC's idol.. You know, the guy that gave you the weapons?

Would you recommend Deus Ex II? Is it worth the money?