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Karinzuja
19th December 2006, 11:00 AM
Interesting merger there...

PR/RF join the BSS chain, but they say its just in chain, not merged clans..


Any specualtion/info on the reasons or point of it? And what impact this has on the rest of KoC??

It seems to me like the whole of KoC is lining up on two sides for quite a big war. This chain now has two of the oldest clans around and one of the best sabbing chains.. A very formidable opponent for anyone..

Zuja

Carlos
19th December 2006, 11:06 AM
to war ES

~mini~
19th December 2006, 11:19 AM
meh that could be cool to see 1 big war :P

would also get confusing on who to sab....

cycoduck
19th December 2006, 11:52 AM
This is reminiscent of the old PR vs SC days (not that I'm comparing ES/LaCN to SC, far from it). Alliances outside of the two largest are now having to begin making their decisions on supporting the PR/RF/BSS conglomerate or the ES/LaCN/AC conglomerate or to stay completely neutral. My prediction, you will start to see some of the other smaller chains that have issues with one or the other begin to join the larger of the two chains. You will also have 2 or three 'neutral' large chains (Darkhorse and S&D for example) that will remain independent, watching from the sidelines to see where the coming megawar will lead.
One interesting issue, though, is where AC will stand on their war with PR/RF, since they have historically been associated with and allied with BSS.

ms_fishy
19th December 2006, 12:16 PM
well as far as i know we havent merged

lordvlad_DT just came home, thats all

whether i fight for PRRF is still in question (well bon hasnt got online yet) - i personally dont mind warring ESLACN but i dont want this to be free lunch like we helped LGC last age

as far as it stands noone in bss is getting significant growth from PRRF and the two clans havent pledged loyalty to bss cause either - as i said time and again, warring ESLACN is fun but you have to wake up to bank like a maniac - i doubt if i want to do it for no growth, no payment, no pledge of allegiance.. it would be kinda .. dumb

its tricky because the mass on me has started and im guessing bonsai is also being massed by ESLACN - now we might be forced to jump into war with ESLACN - and PRRF might say 'well, we didn't ask ya to help' then its kinda a nasty position, isnt it

for AC, vivlady is a friend of bonsai but she took sells and credits from bss last age and left chain.. to add salt to the wound, she chose to join ESLACN this age.. she prolly still has good ties with the men in bss but well i always call things as i see them

gonna wait to hear from bon and PRRF and see if they come up with something - ah well politics

PS: just in case you dont know i always speak for myself ^^

rachelf
19th December 2006, 01:13 PM
as an ES admin,I can confirm That on our boards we have asked our members to leave off BSS for now until thier intention re. the merge is clear-lately we have been getting along fairly well and have no grudge with them. If any ES members are sabbing bss...it could be plant accounts trying to stir trouble-we have had our fair share lately:
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
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4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1

Lite-Ning
19th December 2006, 01:36 PM
This could either be really interesting to see where it goes, or it could all just remain the same regardless of the chain-merger ... Considering there is a general gold-hits only agreement between BSS & LaCN/ES.

rachelf
19th December 2006, 01:42 PM
oops! my boyfriend -richardbajor(soon to be ex) has just phoned me to say actually he and a few other ES/LACN members have indeed sabbed bss, before the official 'don't sab' notice was posted.

richard says to add this to the post.....'the testosterone in #elitesab was off the scale of all known previous records. So much so that many of the women in the room at the time fainted. But now nobody in ES is quite sure what the score is.Perhaps Bon can clarify this for us'

Poltionorch
19th December 2006, 01:45 PM
Name: Lord_Gogos
Commander: TheGodFather_LaCN
Race: Humans
Alliance Affiliation: Phoenix Rising

11 hours ago Lord_Gogos 2,069,729 Gold stolen 15 0 0 6,135,977 298,690 details
11 hours ago Lord_Gogos 150,303 Gold stolen 1 0 0 6,146,214 346,475 details

Damn, if you plant an account in the enemy chain to cause trouble, tell him to be less obvious =/ Amateurs

TPLOTL
19th December 2006, 01:48 PM
as an ES admin,I can confirm That on our boards we have asked our members to leave off BSS for now until thier intention re. the merge is clear-lately we have been getting along fairly well and have no grudge with them. If any ES members are sabbing bss...it could be plant accounts trying to stir trouble-we have had our fair share lately:
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1 0
4 days ago Lxyn (not active) Sabotage 1


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ms_fishy
19th December 2006, 01:59 PM
i got 3 pages of logs too but im holding my sabs

i will chain ESLACN up down and sideways all age if its BSS-ESLACN war

i will not fight for PRRF for no growth, no payment, no pledge of allegience and no appreciation - BSS and PRRF arent even allied so there must be something in it for us to work with them - its that simple

Karinzuja
19th December 2006, 02:18 PM
So LaCN/ES have made hits on BSS?

Have the AC made any moves yet?

Zuja

Asianguard
19th December 2006, 03:08 PM
*yawn* if a war starts, this better not be another boring age long war like last age....

oh, the monotony

Politics make this game too complicated...not like i want to think about who im about to hit when i chain

Drumnadrochit-
19th December 2006, 03:21 PM
I was expecting to see PR/RF&BSS in one chain after vengefuldeath87 joined LordVlad-DT, tbh. :o

Rags
19th December 2006, 03:29 PM
From the LaCN side I can confirm that the order has gone out not to hit anyone from BSS/DT. Our attacks on PR/RF chain are to be from vengefuldeath down....no-one else. If anyone in LaCN is hitting then please come to #cosanostra and talk to anyone with @ or above. We have ahad an arrangement with BSS/DT for a while now and until we know their intentions we have no plans on breaking it.

MFnBonsai
19th December 2006, 03:41 PM
From the LaCN side I can confirm that the order has gone out not to hit anyone from BSS/DT. Our attacks on PR/RF chain are to be from vengefuldeath down....no-one else. If anyone in LaCN is hitting then please come to #cosanostra and talk to anyone with @ or above. We have ahad an arrangement with BSS/DT for a while now and until we know their intentions we have no plans on breaking it.

2 hours ago Kartel_ Sabotage 2 0
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sorry for the long post but Previous Login 12 hours and 28 minutes ago....

yah right you waited to find out my intensions.... didnt even know vlad was back in chain....

Lil_Wolfy
19th December 2006, 03:48 PM
Wow thats really waiting along time, looks like ES/LACN officially dont want war, but unofficially they already started and jumped teh gun...

Cerridwen
19th December 2006, 03:58 PM
oops! my boyfriend -richardbajor(soon to be ex) has just phoned me to say actually he and a few other ES/LACN members have indeed sabbed bss, before the official 'don't sab' notice was posted.

richard says to add this to the post.....'the testosterone in #elitesab was off the scale of all known previous records. So much so that many of the women in the room at the time fainted. But now nobody in ES is quite sure what the score is.Perhaps Bon can clarify this for us'

I did not faint! LOL I left and went running. I did mention there was a possibility Bon wasn't aware of what was going on. Soon after actions were stopped to allow time to figure out what was going on.

Things have been going pretty well lately, as well as you can expect from 2 sab chains and testosterone factories. Neither side was planning to war each other as far as I know.

Lite-Ning
19th December 2006, 04:07 PM
i got 3 pages of logs too but im holding my sabs

i will chain ESLACN up down and sideways all age if its BSS-ESLACN war

i will not fight for PRRF for no growth, no payment, no pledge of allegience and no appreciation - BSS and PRRF arent even allied so there must be something in it for us to work with them - its that simple

Which brings me to the question, since there aren't any ties between BSS and PR/RF; why did PR/RF join under Lordvlad?

~Lite

Rags
19th December 2006, 04:10 PM
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sorry for the long post but Previous Login 12 hours and 28 minutes ago....

yah right you waited to find out my intensions.... didnt even know vlad was back in chain....

not one person in that list is LaCN chain...they were from the ES chain which has already been explained by Badass-Babe.

It is really unfortunate that this has happened, it is yet another example of a few on both sides not wanting to make a truce between us work. Please read between the lines here Bon and dont give those people the satisfaction of dragging us into a war that we dont want.

richardbajor
19th December 2006, 04:18 PM
We did jump the gun a bit- I hold my hands up for my part in that :yay:

I and the others just assumed that if Vlad had joined under Bon this would have been sanctioned. With Ministry of Chaos joining Vlad earlier in the day, along with his merry crew of Jingles and flatmate suck-ass who have been at ES all age it all looked like BSS had joined ranks with PR.

Honestly seems from where I am looking that PR have manipulated something. Not looking at GUA that often I wasn't aware that Bon had made statements about not helping PR. If I was BSS I would not be happy at this manipulation by PR to push ES into a war and as an ES Admin not happy to get caught up in it in this way. Still, this was fun:

Your Chief of Intelligence dispatches 2 spies to attempt to sabotage 15 of BSS-MFnBonsai's weapons of type Invisibility Shield.
Your spies successfully enter BSS-MFnBonsai's armory undetected, and destroy 15 of the enemy's Invisibility Shield stockpile. Your spies all return safely to your camp.

and this was even better:

10 hours ago Ministry_of_Chaos 18,636,396 Gold stolen 15 5 63 3,497,336 4,891,865 details
10 hours ago Ministry_of_Chaos 1,253,320 Gold stolen 1 3 48 4,014,843 4,635,244 details

Badass-Babe
19th December 2006, 04:19 PM
I edited my post out sorry Rags.. anyone want to know what it said feel free to PM me :) .. preferably on KoC ... I rarely get on GUA...

MFnBonsai
19th December 2006, 04:36 PM
from what i gather there is no manipulation here by PR....

ok so they are under vlad so what....

i woke up said ok ES have given me a surprise party but its not my bday its nearly xmas....

then i get on mIRC and find out lordvlad has returned to chain....

might i add that he should never have left.... he is DT/BSS/QoC and a guppie and we should have never let him leave chain.... maybe my guys and gurls finally realised that fact and invited him to rejoin while i was sleeping....

dont matter im discussing with stes what we are to do now

Miro
19th December 2006, 07:57 PM
Which brings me to the question, since there aren't any ties between BSS and PR/RF; why did PR/RF join under Lordvlad?

~Lite

Vlad had been Venge's commander for much longer this this age,
At least a month I think,
Maybe he had some deal with someone,

Though I don't know completely,

Rags
20th December 2006, 08:16 AM
Glad that we got things sorted out...a friendly war should be fun...new people to sabb although the trash talking is fun too....but good to know that the respect will still be there during and after.

htidjon-AA
20th December 2006, 08:25 AM
Errr to be honest PR/RF havent joined dss lordvlad did and pr/rf are just inchain :) well i think tht how it is lol

aero_zeppelin
20th December 2006, 12:33 PM
dont matter im discussing with stes what we are to do now

I'd say demand to ditch all those BSS haters noobs that dared to be in your logs, but then again I'm old school.

Point being, they are only waiting for reasons to break the treaty, and as long as they are there, they'll always stir up problems. I should know, I was a troublemaker, but I've always given my commander the choice of ditching me even before I started the wars.


One way or another, go BSS/DT :yay:

Habsfan
20th December 2006, 03:48 PM
To be frank, this does belong in Alliance Discussion - so I'm going to move it there.

This is an interesting move, especially if BSS/PR/RF become united (not one alliance, but a working strong coalition), against LaCN/ES - again we will see perhaps a return of the 'glory days' where it was two main groups against each other.

en51tm
20th December 2006, 04:47 PM
I don't see it being two main groups against one another to be honest. It's more that BSS and ES are happy to have more people to sab without any bitching or propaganda so they decided to have a friendly bout.

One of the things I was wondering though, does this mean that I get to sab people BSS are at war with :P?

Burko
20th December 2006, 11:21 PM
Funny