Sabbing

[Batstar]

I don't know if this is the right place for this, I hope so, because when the Admins changed the Tools Values and added the new ones, It blew Sabbing all out of proportion. Since there have been no obvious changes in the Formulas, There is no way to protect what you own. I just had my entire armory sabbed away by 2 people. I am afraid to attack for fear of losing what I don't know I have already lost. My rank dropped from in the 600's to the 1800's in seconds. My commander, ranked up in the 150's dropped into the 700's. This is an Issue that must be addressed immeidiatly, because failure to do so will cause a great deal of trouble for KoC. When the Number 1 guy is being sabbed by people with only a few keys, there is definatly trouble. I know this is only the first week or so for Age 5, but something has got to be done. With it being possible to sab 40 Invisability shields in one go, Something definatly isn't right. I agree wholeheartedly to sabbing, But the admins shouldn't have messed with it. In my opinion it was nearly perfect last age. We definatly have to get something done, and fast.

[Xull]

Last age if you were at a higher rank sabotage did little...
Also don't forget that spy isn't the only thing they increased, they also did the same for its counterpart, sentry. Also, to counteract the 40 at one time part, they also decreased the maximum % sabbed to 10%

Last age people could still sab "the entire armory" (up until 25% couldn't be sabbed anymore)
I myself have sabbed several people last age who wouldn't leave my chain alone to the point that all they had left was a few sticks + knives, or maybe a few lesser defense weapons

So anyway... last age sabotage was rather ineffective, many people were complaining about it. This age the opposite? *sigh* at least something was done to make it better.

[Hades]

sabbing should just be done away with

[Phyrus]

sabbing should just be done away with

mind posting your thoughts on why it should be done away with?

[oldDarmael]

Last age if you were at a higher rank sabotage did little...
Also don't forget that spy isn't the only thing they increased, they also did the same for its counterpart, sentry. Also, to counteract the 40 at one time part, they also decreased the maximum % sabbed to 10%


Excellent point. I think this increase in sabbing forces a more overall approach to the game.

If you are a lower level slayer and you come across a juicy target but their DA is just slightly greater then you SA, wham, sab a few IS's and you are in.

What is wrong with that. Everyone acts as if it is some kind of rape to sab. It is and should be a vital component to the game. If you don't want to be sabbed, build up your sentry.

Trust me, no one likes being sabbed but there is a viable defense.

[Hades]

mind posting your thoughts on why it should be done away with?
Well, anyone who doesnt get in the top ranks early or joins a huge clan basically has no chance of getting to the top. If they get close then u get sabbed by anyone and everyone, totally destroying any chance they have to move up in rank. I know lots of people will disagree and most of those people are prob in the tops ranks(go figure). But think about it, if you are in midd or low ranks and dont want to join an alliance, what are u going to do, nothing u can do. You can build and build and build all you want, but when it comes time to get into top ranks, you get knock all the way back down, what is the point of that. Players shouldnt have to join alliances or do anything else of the sort to have a shot at the top. People say its like war, but where in the world could you take a guy and send him into a army and have him secretly sabb/destroy 30 or 40 of there weapons and get away with it, rendering there army useless. NO WHERE. If they want to take over or become the supreme power, you know what they do, they gather info, attack and defend, they dont send a super spy they can destroy 30 tanks and no one ever know about. Sabb will be the downfall of KOC.

[Asparath]

There is something wrong with the current sab setup. It is annoying that someone can be cleaned out in seconds. I haven't been sabbed yet, but I am sure that it will happen when I get my stats more balanced out and a higher rank. With mass sabs working 90% of the time something needs to be changed. PR members have been sending a form letter to the admins asking them to fix the problem.

Reality is that one person should not be able to destroy 40 well gaurded bpms in one night. The only way I could imagine that you could do that in real life would be to light the guys armoury on fire.

[EworTam-]

Last age I had a pretty average rank and sabotage meant shit to me.

In the first few weeks it did but after that I could only lose a small percent of my armory even in a mass. And more importantly I could hardly damage my enemies either.

So I guess this was a good age for me to choose elves. Fun fun. ^-^

[Soldier_Worst]

I think it's a lose - lose situation over the whole line right now.

sabaccount can be 5x smaller this age and sab 4x as many weapons. Pulling up the UP to 640 / day was a big advantage for sabaccounts already. If that wasn't enough, the sablimit dropped to 10% too, so the already devaluated masses became even less effective or sabbers can have enough BPM's to break like any target, without the risc of being sabbed.
With the current scripts and settings, the game will suck big time.
People who think I am a ranker and don't sab much and all that bull are wrong. I like sabbing, but I rather have some nice wars with
a) players who choose to be part of the war, and there were plenty of them in this wargame. Most people don't experience it as "fun" at that moment, but looking back now most of them realise it was.
b) players who aren't cleaned after 2 days. Real good wars won't exist anymore. I like the challenge "are we going to be able to win the war = really hurt the participants of the 'enemy side'", now there is no challenge anymore..
It's obvious what will happen, there will be MANY sabaccounts, as it has the most advantages by far. Those sabaccounts will sweep and sab everyone in the opposite clan where most of the accounts will be cleaned after 5 days. Then the point of the war is gone.
The game is out of challenges now, it's completly predictable. The balance is gone completly, only topaccounts will be able to survive without being sabbed completly. The difference between the top and the rest has grown bigger again..

Last age you had both sabbing and massing, both could be really effective if you could organise a bit. I've never found sabbing not effective enough, it's just the age lasting too long. And if you weren't able to sab enough, then you weren't a good sabber.. A good sabber is able to sab 10 IS/target at least. You easily could destroy 50 IS /day with some friends, if you repeat that 20 days (thats not much on real enemies) you can sab 1000 IS, and 1000 IS is much after 3 months for all players besides the top 100.

I still hope something changes.. The 500k gold tools should disappear again and players should get 5 100k gold tools instead.
There are plenty options to make sabaccounts more vulnerable, like adding tooldamage after a successful attack or adding sabturns.
Just use some creativity, but at least give the people who don't want to be a sabaccount something..