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Winkums
13th April 2005, 07:05 PM
Okay, I'm here to support the new race of goblins. I think thatit would be great if there was a new race called goblins, because players hate to get their ranks lowered down from a 20,000 to a 50,000 due to sabatoge. I theink that golins should receive a 17% alertness bonus because of the fact of people getting lowered 20,000/30,000 ranks.
Humans have medevil weapons, elves have bows and what not, dwarves have heavy weapons like axes and hammers, and the powerful orcs have blade type weapons, so I was thinking that the goblins would have claws and powerful weapons that are connected to the arms. This is what their armoury would look like:

Attack Weapons Stength Price
Brass Knuckles 2 200
Spiked (or spiky) Brass Knuckles 5 1,000
Beating Claws 10 18,000
Mauler's Claws 20 3,200
Warclaws 40 5,100
Shadowblade 160 16,4000
Assasin's Claws 640 50,000
Critical Strike Claws 2,560 200,000
Blackpowder Missile 10,000 750,000


Defense Weapons Stength Price
Wristbands 10 2,000
Blocker Claws 20 3,200
Back Push Claws 40 5,100
Plated Claws 160 16,400 Blocking Armshields 640 50,000
Forceblow Armshields 2,560 200,000
Invisibility Shield 10,000 750,000


I think that their color would be gray light blue, or oranage like:
Goblins
or
Goblins
or even
Goblins



Ohh, and spies don't have a sentry bonus, check the KOC terms.




:mistdrago


Ohh, and one more thing, alertness bonus only adds to a sentry bonus, and you don't have to be on at all times for it is A SENTRY BONUS!!!!!


You sunk my scrabbleship! Now king me!

NoKtUrNaL
13th April 2005, 10:56 PM
Okay a couple of things
1, atleast you made upa list of weapons before posting this...however have you noticed no race has just the one "set" of weapons like you used claws about 8 times
2, as someone said in the other copy of this thread, spies do infact have the 22% bonus to sentry also....
3, its sort of irritating that no1 bothers to check the failed Goblin race thread... and then give up after the enormus disagreeance witht the idea

I theink that golins should receive a 17% alertness bonus because of the fact of people getting lowered 20,000/30,000 ranks.
To me this seems like it would slow the game down alot, 17% alertness does this mean you would ahve to be online n you get a message 'someone is sabbing you"......
it really cannot prevent sabbing unless you change it so goblins have to "allow" a sab by failing to be alert...COnfusing as hell
A new race may be fine, but enough with sub races..all i have to say

meleemaster
13th April 2005, 11:10 PM
Ohh, and spies don't have a sentry bonus, check the KOC terms.

What terms? You've said this 3 times. KoC says elves have a covert bonus, which means both spy and sentry. Have you even played as elves?

And sabotage is a part of the game, it would be unfair and silly to make a new race with extra sentry bonuses, especially as because they won't have another useful bonus they will just sit there, thinking they are safe, and get attacked by others higher up, leaving you to lose your rank either way.

eth
14th April 2005, 12:50 AM
Okay, I'm here to support the new race of goblins. I think thatit would be great if there was a new race called goblins, because players hate to get their ranks lowered down from a 20,000 to a 50,000 due to sabatoge. I theink that golins should receive a 17% alertness bonus because of the fact of people getting lowered 20,000/30,000 ranks.
Humans have medevil weapons, elves have bows and what not, dwarves have heavy weapons like axes and hammers, and the powerful orcs have blade type weapons, so I was thinking that the goblins would have claws and powerful weapons that are connected to the arms. This is what their armoury would look like:

Attack Weapons Stength Price
Brass Knuckles 2 200
Spiked (or spiky) Brass Knuckles 5 1,000
Beating Claws 10 18,000
Mauler's Claws 20 3,200
Warclaws 40 5,100
Shadowblade 160 16,4000
Assasin's Claws 640 50,000
Critical Strike Claws 2,560 200,000
Blackpowder Missile 10,000 750,000

Defense Weapons Stength Price
Wristbands 10 2,000
Blocker Claws 20 3,200
Back Push Claws 40 5,100
Plated Claws 160 16,400 Blocking Armshields 640 50,000
Forceblow Armshields 2,560 200,000
Invisibility Shield 10,000 750,000 Well, your weapon names are a bit too uhh... imaginative. A good weapon ame should tell everything, or at least the attributes of the weapon. for example, back push claws, blocker claws, critical strike claws. These dont sound like weapons. These just sound like moves. They dont make real sense. You need to do a LOT of research. search and scour the internet for these things, look up goblins and well, you need to do a lot of hard work. Moreover, if you want to support these 'goblins' there is specifically no need for a new thread. Work it out in the same thread. 80% of your weapons are claws ONLY. I can raise doubts about every single weapon of yours (except the BPM and IS) This is not a good sign at all. There should be a similarity, explaination of your cause, why you think this raceshould exist, public opinions, Youve messed everything up. A building cannot be built without a strong foundation, and you have an extremely weak foundation. Sorry for being so blunt, but yo seriously nneed to scrap this and do some research on this, and I mean some serious research. If you are not capable of it, ask someone who can do hard work to get their mind into this.

rooiiedonder
14th April 2005, 01:08 AM
if you change the name of the race to hobbits

you can play LOTR online ;)

and i now for sure i take the hobbits

eth
14th April 2005, 03:24 AM
Rooiedonder, sinsce you are new, you probably dont know that this has been suggested before and fell down like a heavy rock. I said it then andI'll say it again. look, in the LOTR books, the hobbits a peace-loving creatures and donot fight. So they cannot be added. Moreover, a specialised bonus is not possible in their case. SO it was highly opposed.

Monsuco
14th April 2005, 05:05 PM
I would say just say a sentry race would be borring. I kinda think elves should just loose the sentry bonus and no race has a bonus there.

Winkums
14th April 2005, 05:21 PM
If you check the KOC help, and see what races have what, the elves don't get that, don't have a sentry boost, only spy.

Alertness, means that they have a 17% or more percent sentry boost you don't have to log on or anything because it is effective all of the time. So you only need a few sentries and you can spend your gold on something else. And why does the undead race get so much support?

meleemaster
14th April 2005, 05:46 PM
Because it is professionally presented and has an original bonus.

From the KoC help:
Elves are 22% better at covert action than any other race. This can be a great advantage when spying on or sabotaging other people's armies.

This does not mean they are only good at spying. They do have a sentry bonus as well. Try playing as the Elves why don't you?

eth
15th April 2005, 02:42 AM
Doesnt the word "COVERT" explain it all? An only spies bonus or only sentry bonus is not as effective as the bonuses other races get. Hence they put in covert so that BOTH spies AND sentries get a bonus. Try and read the help text.

Winkums
15th April 2005, 01:48 PM
You guys just don't get it, covert means hard to spot, not very alert.

ROCK LOBSTER
15th April 2005, 04:59 PM
Ok, i just attached the poll. You guys can vote now ;)

meleemaster
15th April 2005, 05:35 PM
You guys just don't get it, covert means hard to spot, not very alert.

You are wrong! If anything, create a thread to ask the admins to explain the word covert for people like yourself.

Winkums
15th April 2005, 11:14 PM
If you look up the word covert in the dictionary, you will see a picture of a spy sneaking around, not a goblin on the lookout.

Kirin
16th April 2005, 12:52 AM
heres a dictionary for you.


cov·ert Pronunciation Key (kvrt, kvrt, k-vūrt)
adj.

1. Not openly practiced, avowed, engaged in, accumulated, or shown: covert military operations; covert funding for the rebels. See Synonyms at secret.
2. Covered or covered over; sheltered.

you are still refering to illustrated dictionaries!!

NoKtUrNaL
16th April 2005, 03:42 AM
hahaha kirin :p
the fact of the matter is the game isn't based on dictionairys....theres no such thing as orcs had you not noticed this game is fiction?
i think its extremely obvious that spys have the sentry bonus aswell, why else would it of dropped from 25% to 22%? it was too much of a boost because IT IS BOTH SPY AND SENTRY
Sorry but back your story or dont post

I understand your asking for an "alertness feature" to be added, but it simply isn't needed
if someone is alerted of a attempted sab does this mean that the enemy fails more? if so it is just like sentry and therefore pointless
if you mean the goblins can somehow prevent it in real time then its also pointless because people would have to be on 24/7 (not a likely occurance)
you made your post, people disagreed now this is spammed up with you arguing about the definition of a word...

Hot_meal
16th April 2005, 12:52 PM
Great idea, KOC deserves a sentry race.

Swordmaster
16th April 2005, 01:28 PM
well i like the idea of new races....if u support my race i will support yours ...hehe

Winkums
16th April 2005, 10:07 PM
Tell me the thread, then I'll support it, and alertness last 24/7, so you can be on or off what ever, it's a sentry bonus, not a torture yourself bonus.

NoKtUrNaL
17th April 2005, 01:08 AM
You still haven't explained what the hell the difference is
you wont get support unless you make sense....so far not many people are aware what u want...not sure if you do either...
Alertness IS sentry, sentries are alert...hence the ability to stop sabs
really this is a waste of your time
you could come up with something a bit better that isn't already around instead of spending time trying to convince others that this is any diff from sentry..

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 01:29 AM
Support the dark elves..its good...i think 3 or 4 new races would be nice...when i started KoC it was a bit of a disapointment to the number of races in lords of legend.
goblins are a good idea

NoKtUrNaL
17th April 2005, 02:23 AM
Go play lords of legend then...that game is made to be filled with races
this isn't...

Goblins simply are not an ideal race as they are nothing but a smaller/weaker version of the orc so why bother? same with dark elves, theres no need for it
Undead is a completely new race which is why that thread was agreed with

come up with something original like, Pirates or Daemons, something that isn't a tweaked race we already have..

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 02:26 AM
i do play lordsoflegend

eth
17th April 2005, 02:45 AM
i do play lordsoflegendThen be there, let the environ of KoC be as it is, and dont go on posting things without thinking.

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 02:45 AM
I have it! an original Race! Vampire! Go to the forum for it!

NoKtUrNaL
17th April 2005, 03:29 AM
original? you stole it from Lords oflegends when u looked at the undead pic :P c'mon man, i posted there though...could work
please dont spam this thread though or else someone will think its a good idea haha....its not :|

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 03:35 AM
yeh and i have seen you make a whole pile of good suggestions >cough<

Winkums
17th April 2005, 02:48 PM
Okay guys, we're getting a little bit off topic here, goblins are original and aren't a cheap rip-off. And can I get the link to Lords od Legend, is it free, approprioat?

meleemaster
17th April 2005, 06:55 PM
The problem is you don't understand Winkums - Elves do have sentry bonus as well as spy. Unless you are suggesting they take away the sentry capabilities of elves and give it to goblins? If that's the case make yourself more clear.

Anyway, here is the link, lol: www.lordsoflegend.com

Swordmaster
18th April 2005, 12:27 PM
the undead pic isnt a vampire!

battleshit
18th April 2005, 03:07 PM
it looks like this idea is getting kind og slaughtered ^_^

Swordmaster
19th April 2005, 12:03 PM
yes lol mabye u should try a new race? give an explanation why u want 1?(what others said to me) then spend time thinking

eth
20th April 2005, 01:53 AM
I think that enough has been said and done here, so it is quite useless to post here at it has been too overrated.

Swordmaster
20th April 2005, 03:34 AM
but good try

Winkums
20th April 2005, 06:58 PM
If you want to waste thread space, then go to one of swordmaster's "NEW RACE" boards, anyway income bonus = extra money. Defense bonus = more defense, attack bonus = more attack. COVERT BOUNS = BETTER SPIES, NOT SENTRIES!!!!! ALERTNESS BONUS = BETTER SENTRIES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ON AT ALL TIMES, BECAUSE IT'S PERMENANT!!!!! You people are so stubborn!!!!!!

NoKtUrNaL
21st April 2005, 11:24 AM
We may be stubborn but atleast we have realised that Covert=Spy+Sentry
This is the entire damn reason it went from 25% to 22% cause it was BOTH
and it was too much of a bonus to include BOTH so they dropped the percentage of the bonus for BOTH get it through your thick head dammit kid

Winkums
21st April 2005, 04:32 PM
And how would you people know that covert=spy+sentry???

Swordmaster
22nd April 2005, 11:18 AM
Winkums stop that about my races...they are better than yours. Goblins..haha

Winkums
22nd April 2005, 05:35 PM
Sorry, Swordmaster, anyway a sentry race might possibly have 1/1,000,000 chance of being boring (sure (sarcasm) ). But it might save you from sabatoge and a 20,000-50,000 rank drop.

eth
22nd April 2005, 11:17 PM
Winkums stop that about my races...they are better than yours. Goblins..hahaYour races are lame. Did yourealise that more people oppose you and you are the only one that supports your so called 'races'? Think about it. I thought you had improved, but good grief, do you need another warning to make you come to your senses?

meleemaster
22nd April 2005, 11:35 PM
Practically every race since the undead has been slaughtered. People should wait to see if the undead are accepted or not before making a new race, then make sure theirs is up to that standard.


Sorry, Swordmaster, anyway a sentry race might possibly have 1/1,000,000 chance of being boring (sure (sarcasm) ). But it might save you from sabatoge and a 20,000-50,000 rank drop.

Wow, humour for two-year-olds. Once again, elves have a sentry bonus as well as having a spy bonus. Until you realize that, you are making yourself look very ignorant.

Swordmaster
23rd April 2005, 02:02 AM
Ethelorenas are you stirring with me again?

amidamaru27
25th April 2005, 04:47 PM
Swordmaster,stop arguing with Ethelorenas and quit being a damn noob.No wait,u are a noob.Ha Ha

xix_xix
25th April 2005, 05:07 PM
I am more than supportive of adding extra races to the game, but goblins? can we not get slightly more adventurous??

Best insparations come from Warhammer table top games and the armies they use.

Skaven
Chaos
Undead
Lizardmen

Any 1 of those 4 would be better than goblins.

NoKtUrNaL
25th April 2005, 07:13 PM
thank you xix :) some decent ideas
Undead is covered :p
Lizardmen however....hmm
make a new thread if you come up with some ideas or Ethelorenas probably will beat ya to it ;) he's a throne room junkie

Winkums
25th April 2005, 07:13 PM
Alright, how about Aquarians, or Demons? Any suggestions, people, and i will think up a whole new armoury, just don't lose the sentry bonus, alright?

meleemaster
25th April 2005, 07:44 PM
Explain Aquarians? Demons aren't original and don't fit, as the thread titled 'Daemons' proved. The problem with most of the new races are not the armoury, which anyone can think of, but the bonus. Sentry bonus is not needed as the elves already have it. Did you catch that? I'll say it again. Elves have the sentry bonus as well as the spy bonus.

xix_xix
25th April 2005, 08:12 PM
with a race like skaven, they fight en masse.


Their bonuses could be any number of :-
1.They still steal lots of gold even if their army is bigger than opponents
2.Their unit production within the game is double the other races
3.Unit Production is ALOT cheaper
4.Generals give 1 man per 1 click recieved, Generals Generals give 1 man for every 2 clicks, Generals Generals Generals give 1 man for every 4 clicks (much better growth)
5.Training soldiers is half price (attack and defensive)


Any combination of the above 5 examples would make for a very interesting and exciting age 5.


Id say that the bonus of the faster growth is worth it alone

Instead of only recieving 1 man for every 2 clicks your generals get, you get 1 for 1, and so it goes down the chain. (would make the TBG of each man less to keep it in proportion and not make it to mad)

This would not only allow more men to train as sentries and spies, the extra gold would be a benefit to rival the human bonus (to unfair I reckon)

Combine it with the ability for your large army to attack a smaller army and still get as much gold would make for a very interesting race.

Please add comments

meleemaster
25th April 2005, 10:21 PM
1 or 5 sound good, the others sound a bit unfair.

Then again, the Skaven, or rat-men, could be copyright by Warhammer. Anyone know? Here is a description of them. (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/skaven/background/default.htm)

NoKtUrNaL
25th April 2005, 10:40 PM
Wouldnt the same go for Lizardmen?
i think a race is impossible to copyright if its fictional
simply change the name to ratmen :P or something similar

anyway a new thread should be made as all this is doing is making this goblin thread seem active when its really a waste of space :) no offense winkums but your just stubborn and you will not listen to reason (about the sentry thing..)

King_arthur1234
25th April 2005, 10:58 PM
winkums please just stop being stubborn and accept the fact that elves have a spy And sentry bonus. unless you realize that you seem to be very ignorant. you must really see this by playing with elves, you wont realize it unless you do so.

meleemaster
26th April 2005, 12:50 AM
No offense meant King Arthur, but you seem to be repeating what others say just posts before (not just in this thread).

Winkums, you should say whether people should keep discussing this thread or not as no new ideas are circulating that have to do with Goblins.

Winkums
29th April 2005, 03:34 PM
Goblins look alert, and that's why I chose them.

AnimeGirl
30th April 2005, 08:41 PM
Hi, I'm Winkums sister, and he told me to support this poll, so go goblins??

eth
1st May 2005, 12:24 PM
Ok...i think i'm getting a bit too much praise. But yes, thats the way I am and I'm a critique. I point out whats bad in a particular area hoping that the creators will improve there, but instead, they just go against me! But really, this thread has endured enough and I think it has a right to be stopped, as no discussion in favour of these "goblins" has taken place. This is definately not how a race thread should proceed. Please take a note at the oppostion to your idea. though 23 people are blindl supporting your thread, 7 feel there can be improvements, but 19 oppose your idea. The oppostion is quite high and hence you should really reconsider on this and rationally think whether the goblins do fit in the KoC theme. They closely resemble the orcs and I believe the orcs satisfy the qualities of the goblins and have a better bonus.
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About the bonus, alertness. How do you think a formula for alertness can be calculated or reolved? You have to think throught he minds of the programers for this. You must provide them with all the data, or whats in our capacity, like all the percentage calculations, how it shall affect the gameplay, at the same time not making the race all-powerful and a lot of things. Its really not a piece of cake. Moreover, you still havent finalised on the weapons, bonus, the graphical shield or in a nutshell, this race is extremely difficult to be constructed and get approved and its best you abandon the project.

Winkums
1st May 2005, 02:28 PM
I keep telling you, alertness = sentry bonus!!! I'm just making it sound fancy, that's all.

NoKtUrNaL
1st May 2005, 02:35 PM
And we kept telling you sentry is already covered by Elves


Elves
Harness your strength and fight for your people! 22% Covert Bonus


If they meant spy only it would of said "spy" instead of COVERT which is what it was called before hand
CR (Covert Rating) or CA (Covert Action) you lack evidence that backs up your statement and you refuse to listen to logic

Uk_
1st May 2005, 03:18 PM
As others already said sentry is covered by Elves!
I think if KoC admins ad another race they should add another stat.
Also Goblins are far from being the sharpest minds...
So Your pick for a race is terrible, if you had picked Gnomes it would be a maybe.
And Gnomes are like Drawfs so I would say no also.

sLyFoX
1st May 2005, 09:26 PM
im sure anyone playing as elves can tell you that the bonus is for bothspy and sentry. easy way to test, same amount of spies/sentries, same amount of hooks/dogs and the actions for both spy and sentry will be the same.

Zap
1st May 2005, 10:39 PM
Because it is professionally presented and has an original bonus.

From the KoC help:
Elves are 22% better at covert action than any other race. This can be a great advantage when spying on or sabotaging other people's armies.

This does not mean they are only good at spying. They do have a sentry bonus as well. Try playing as the Elves why don't you?

meleemaster is right about his, the Elves has a 22% boost on 2 stats. spy and sentry

eth
2nd May 2005, 03:29 AM
meleemaster is right about his, the Elves has a 22% boost on 2 stats. spy and sentry Umm... will it be O.K if this was the last attempt to convince winkums that elves have both spy and sentrey bonuses? I dont think that guy's gonna listen to us even if we explain to him the most purely logical explaination.
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Oh yeah, and alertness and sentry dont resemble each other in any way, so its high time this should be dropped.