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eth
28th March 2005, 10:34 PM
[EDITED POST]
I'm suggesting that the undead race should proceed to be included in age 5.
Here are the final stats.


THE UNDEAD
A] ATTACK WEAPONS
1. Pike 2000 gold
2. Ghostblade 3200 gold
3. Cutlass 5100 gold
4. Scythe 16,400 gold
5. Trident 50,000 gold
6. Zweihänder 200,000 gold
7. Blackpowder Missile. 750,000 gold
B] DEFENCE WEAPONS
1. Skullcap 2000 gold
2. Dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
3. Bonemail 5100 gold
4. Rustiron Armour 16400 gold
5. Spirit Shield 50,000 gold
6. Dark Forcefield 200,000 gold
7. Invisibility Shield 750,000 gold

Skill Bonus:
40% conversion factor. 40% of enemy casualties are converted into untrained soldiers.

The Undead Shield:
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Night_Elf made a demo of how the undead would look like (roughly) if they are added. Here is a link to that demo.
http://www.geocities.com/nightefdemon/Undeaddemointro.html

almightyrohit
29th March 2005, 01:58 AM
i wud say sumthing like 5% bonus in all areas. that will give a nice option

NERD_loserfreak
29th March 2005, 03:00 AM
i like the idea of an undead race but i think instead of 25% cheaper on fort and seige the undead would lose less or no guys at all.......or when you attack someone or get attacked (either one or both) you should get the enemies dead Soldiers i have no idea what to tell you about the names on da or the rest for sa

eth
29th March 2005, 07:29 AM
i like the idea of an undead race but i think instead of 25% cheaper on fort and seige the undead would lose less or no guys at all.......or when you attack someone or get attacked (either one or both) you should get the enemies dead Soldiers.Well, i dont know about not losing any soldiers part. Wont that make them invincible? Hwo about this......the soldiers that the enemy loses, you shall gain, but they'll add up like mercs (They provide you no gold and will add up as untrained mercs) They could be added as soldiers, well....they could....I cant make up my mind. P.S. people, dont forget to vote, and plz suggest names for weapons.

Zap
29th March 2005, 07:44 AM
25% cheaper fortifications and seige technology :faintthud

I think that bonus will make them a too powerful race, or at least if you are a hardcore gamer who advance to a very high tech level

VinDyten
29th March 2005, 07:47 AM
i wud say sumthing like 5% bonus in all areas. that will give a nice option

I like the idea of 5% bonus in all areas.

eth
29th March 2005, 08:26 AM
I like the idea of 5% bonus in all areas.well, it wont be a bonus as such then, It would just improve them. The soldier gain idea is good, since mercs are not available much anymore!

Okastega
29th March 2005, 08:30 AM
Logical race bonus should be something like 25% resurrection on all lost soldiers.

bloodpirate
29th March 2005, 10:08 AM
ok, as the name applies, they should not be able to die unless trained. they should get a lower tbg. killed enemies should join them. that would make for an interesting race.

NoKtUrNaL
29th March 2005, 10:18 AM
How about a % of the enemys losses on the battlefield (when attacking or defending) are given to you as untrained
Maybe also a 5% in SA/DA but you dont want them godlike or else people will all be them instead of a balanced war (like last age with way to many humans)
Or give them an extra option of training as you suggested Ethelorenas a Grim Reaper, who is given a specific weapon only and it costs the same or half a BPM i dunno, maybe all that would be too much but yeah...

eth
29th March 2005, 11:52 AM
Logical race bonus should be something like 25% resurrection on all lost soldiers.
Thats quite a good one. Bu what if a guy loses only one or two soldiers in battle? What then?

For the attack weapon that costs 200,000, ive come up with a name:

How about Zweihänder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweih%E4nder) it was actually a german sword of the 16th century (got it from wikipedia) Well, it isnt directly related to the undead, but it sounds good enough. Those who want to get more info. on this go to http://www.wikipedia.org/ and search for this sword there. Its quite powerful, if you read its stats. So, anybody agreeing with me?

amidamaru27
29th March 2005, 06:05 PM
Ya! that sounds like a great name for a weapon that costs 200k! What names would be a good idea for defensive weapons for the undead?

NERD_loserfreak
29th March 2005, 06:28 PM
the 2000$ da weapon could be a hood like the grim reaper.....equal to the human helmet....thats all i have right now :idea:

eth
29th March 2005, 11:01 PM
Well, a hood isnt exactly defensive against anything....a helmet could avert injury, but a hood can only defend maybe against.....umm....rain?

Proxnet
29th March 2005, 11:24 PM
25% cheaper fortifications and seige technology :faintthud

I think that bonus will make them a too powerful race, or at least if you are a hardcore gamer who advance to a very high tech level

i don't think they should get 25 % off. 20 % will do. Yup this race should be added in the game according to me. It'll be more fun with more races.

eth
29th March 2005, 11:55 PM
i don't think they should get 25 % off. 20 % will do. Yup this race should be added in the game according to me. It'll be more fun with more races.
Well, thanks for your support, proxnet. What do you think of their special ability being receiving some part of the enemy soldiers as their own?

Well, for the defense weapons, how this:
the weapon gradation according to price:
skullcap 2000 gold
dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
bonemail 5100 gold
rustiron armour 16400 gold
spirit shield 50,000 gold
dark forcefield 200,000 gold
invisibility shield 750,000 gold

King_arthur1234
30th March 2005, 12:28 AM
hey the Da names are quite good, how did u think about these names? well i am sure that i do want undead, that will make a welcome addition to koc. well i think that 'invisibility shield' is ok but i think we should use some new name, its become too repetitive, and is being used by all races i think so all the races should have their all-powerful unique weapon for 750,000, the names should be different for each race. i cant think of any names now, (all suggestions are welcome for names)

NoKtUrNaL
30th March 2005, 02:19 AM
how about Ghost(or Bone) Dragon for the 200,000 weapon? and maybe Dark Forcefield can be the 750k item?
Well i love undead, no matter what game
i think the DA names were a combination of alot, skullcap reminds me of Diablo2 :p
You are obviously puttin alot of time into this hope the admins consider a new race

eth
30th March 2005, 02:39 AM
hey the Da names are quite good, how did u think about these names? well i am sure that i do want undead, that will make a welcome addition to koc. well i think that 'invisibility shield' is ok but i think we should use some new name, its become too repetitive, and is being used by all races i think so all the races should have their all-powerful unique weapon for 750,000, the names should be different for each race. i cant think of any names now, (all suggestions are welcome for names)
I couldnt think of any more. So I just put in invisibility shield. This place and the last one for sa weapons is empty and open for suggestions.


how about Ghost(or Bone) Dragon for the 200,000 weapon? and maybe Dark Forcefield can be the 750k item?
Well i love undead, no matter what game
i think the DA names were a combination of alot, skullcap reminds me of Diablo2 :p
You are obviously puttin alot of time into this hope the admins consider a new race

Yes, thats wuite good...but isnt the dragon already ther efor the orcs? the dark forcefield for 750,000 is perfect. I'll edit my post. but, for the 200,000, i cant think of any more evil stuff.

NoKtUrNaL
30th March 2005, 05:16 AM
How about
Scythe?
Headless Steed (heh)?
Nazgul?
Executioner Sword?(Diablo2)

lukesalterego
30th March 2005, 05:41 AM
how about when their trained soldiers die in battle, they become untrained mercs/soldiers, but with untrained soldiers they just die.
For the 750k attack weapon, how about Zombie Catapult? that would be sweet!

Lord_Seregon
30th March 2005, 05:48 AM
I always think any addition or improvement to the game is a good thing, but remind everyone that the cry a@@@@@ will be here whining about it for some reason that no one really cares about.

eth
31st March 2005, 01:18 AM
Well, the zombie catapult is a good name, but well, it doesnt sound quite practical. What I mean to say is that 'zombie' and 'catapult' dont go quite together. A catapult throwing zombies at the enemy, well......it only sounds gross..it wont do any damage. A catapult thats operated by zombies, well it will still be a normal catapult. Hence, I think that Ive justified my opposition to the weapon. Dont get me wrong though, the name's good and thank you for the suggestion.

amidamaru27
31st March 2005, 03:37 PM
Would "Zombie Claws" be a good name for an attack weapon that costs 200,000?

deathdealler101
31st March 2005, 04:48 PM
i thinks koc is fine how it is, other games have come out like this game with undead and its good that koc is staying origanal

Monsuco
31st March 2005, 05:25 PM
Umm the races have never changed out of the Lord of the Rings theme. I don't think undead was a good idea. It can stay in the new race thread. As far as I'm concerned. I kinda liked some of their other sugestions a little but undead kind seemed to be a little to out of the LOTR theme. They are mentioned in this thread: http://www.giveupalready.com/showthread.php?t=9573

eth
1st April 2005, 12:54 AM
Umm the races have never changed out of the Lord of the Rings theme. I don't think undead was a good idea. It can stay in the new race thread. As far as I'm concerned.
This was in a suggestion thread before. I took my time to make a seperate topic out of it, to give it more gravity and specificate. About the KoC being the same and all, I know it has been the same about races since age 0. But why not make some additions to it? Thats how sequels go, dont they? Instead of age 5, a KoC 2 would be fine too, if they add a race, because the same races again and again does make the ppl bored.

King_arthur1234
1st April 2005, 01:10 AM
yeah we do get bored by the same races and same names and all that stuff. changes are many a times made while making sequels. and i got a name for that 750k SA weapon, you can put Nazgul rider or only Nazgul for that weapon, like the one in LOTR. or i got a funny name for it 'Bone Boomerang' HA!HA! :chairfall, maybe instead of invisibility shield we can put 'ghost barrier', i feel it is a stupid name but if you like it then it is fine with me

lukesalterego
1st April 2005, 01:22 AM
ok, well what about having a weapon that u can buy, so that whenever u kill an enemy with 1 soldier armed with 1 of these weapons, then u can have an enemy soldier as your own. Eg. If you have 1 trained soldier with a Undeadamiser(bad suggestion), then u could convert 1 killed enemy soldier to your own cause.

eth
1st April 2005, 01:41 AM
ok, well what about having a weapon that u can buy, so that whenever u kill an enemy with 1 soldier armed with 1 of these weapons, then u can have an enemy soldier as your own. Eg. If you have 1 trained soldier with a Undeadamiser(bad suggestion), then u could convert 1 killed enemy soldier to your own cause.Well, the name's lame, but the idea's game..its good.

btw, can u heelflip + indy?

NoKtUrNaL
1st April 2005, 02:11 AM
Well, the undead idea of raising the dead is a must... i play DarkThrone (Leading an undead alliance too, woo..anyway) and the raising the dead feature is in that, its great for when you dont want to spend too much time using the recruiter or upgrading unit production
The idea that a person given a weapon that steals soldiers is a bit odd, each weapon kills them why would one bring it back to life if they are simply corpses?
Annyway, keep the weapons same dont go adding anything new or ppl may not like it
but the Undead race should be added, or the Human race altered
say in age 5 there are just no humans its Undead
Could be an interesting story to it like: "After the 4 ages of chaos all humans were destroyed" ra ra ra ra ra
cause ya cant kill elves their immortal, orcs are spawned rather then born and dwarves come out of the ground... anyway


and i got a name for that 750k SA weapon, you can put Nazgul rider or only Nazgul for that weapon, like the one in LOTR.
Ahem...i already said nazgul :P


How about
Scythe?
Headless Steed (heh)?
Nazgul?
Great ideas everyone, now someone get the admins attention Tyrus, perhaps you could give them a jab in the direction of the Throne Room ??

Pain4
1st April 2005, 04:08 AM
Well i think it`d be really cool if the proposed new race had 5% bonuses on all the areas, so it would be like an all round race instead of the stats only focussing on a certain area. On the weapons idea well i cant really think of any because what kind of weapons do zombies normally have?

NoKtUrNaL
1st April 2005, 04:35 AM
Humans essentially already are the all rounder with the Income being the only bonus..
add a new element into the game with the % of casualties become your own, possibly 5% for strike n defense?

EworTam
1st April 2005, 06:09 AM
I guess it's time I posted here. I voted no.

Not because I dont like the idea, I think the Undead is actually a good idea and is the best suggestion I've heard for a fifth race. And the weapons names seem reasonable.

However, I dont think anyone has sorted out the bonus. 5% in all areas - if any race should have that it should be humans imo. Plus it would take away from the tactics of not having a perfect advantage (and it would deem the Human advantage redundant)
Less soldiers dying in battle would suit the Undead but I dont think it'd be an effective advantage.
Reduced upgrades sounds possible, but some maths person would have to sort out what percentage. Plus it wouldn't be effectve for the big ranks who finish the upgrades quickly and so their advantage would be over in weeks.

As for making the bonus a bit of this and a bit of that, then thats a good idea but the same would have to be done for the other races I think.

Definately a good idea but needs to be perfected.

Falc
1st April 2005, 06:53 AM
EworTam - I agree with what you've said...its a great idea and all but the race bonus needs to be sorted.

As for a 5% bonus in all areas in a way is the same bonus as the humans expect it cant be stolen from you...as you could spend an extra 5% of your TBG on each area. So this makes them better than the humans to me.

As for the other suggestions they dont seem to be an effective advantage so they would need to be combined.

eth
1st April 2005, 11:24 AM
I guess it's time I posted here. I voted no.

Not because I dont like the idea, I think the Undead is actually a good idea and is the best suggestion I've heard for a fifth race. And the weapons names seem reasonable.

However, I dont think anyone has sorted out the bonus. 5% in all areas - if any race should have that it should be humans imo. Plus it would take away from the tactics of not having a perfect advantage (and it would deem the Human advantage redundant)
Less soldiers dying in battle would suit the Undead but I dont think it'd be an effective advantage.
Reduced upgrades sounds possible, but some maths person would have to sort out what percentage. Plus it wouldn't be effectve for the big ranks who finish the upgrades quickly and so their advantage would be over in weeks.

As for making the bonus a bit of this and a bit of that, then thats a good idea but the same would have to be done for the other races I think.

Definately a good idea but needs to be perfected.Thanks for posting here, this is your best post i have ever seen. Keep it up:thegrey1: . It would be real helpful if you give out suggestions for the stats. We haven't decided anything as yet, so please give out yor idea. The all of something option will not give them any real advantage, it would just make the weak players a bit more stronger, thats all. I believe the undead are almost ready, and I wish at least one of the admins would take a peek in here and discuss it among themselves, so that they can figure out the stats for them. After all, not all of us are game programmers, so let them do the calculations. After all, they have created 4 superb races, and we've given them a semi-finished fifth race. If any of the viewers out there is a programmer, please put out your calculations for the bonus for the undead.:worship2:


EworTam - I agree with what you've said...its a great idea and all but the race bonus needs to be sorted.

As for a 5% bonus in all areas in a way is the same bonus as the humans expect it cant be stolen from you...as you could spend an extra 5% of your TBG on each area. So this makes them better than the humans to me.

As for the other suggestions they dont seem to be an effective advantage so they would need to be combined.As I said, please put out your own suggestions, instead of criticizing the existing ones. I mean no offense, dont get me wrong. I'm just saing that new and more sensible suggestions are more welcome here than more criticism on the old topics that have already been pondered over.


I got a name for that 750k SA weapon, you can put Nazgul rider or only Nazgul for that weapon, like the one in LOTR.Nazgul's good, it suits the LOTR theme of KoC. There's a glitch here though...the nazgul, were servants of the dark lord. they were not well....the weapons. Check this out-

Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, and warriors of old. They obtained glory and great wealth, yet it turned to their undoing. They had, as it seemed, unending life, yet life became unendurable to them. They could walk, if they would, unseen by all eyes in this world beneath the sun, and they could see things in worlds invisible to mortal men; but too often they beheld only the phantoms and delusions of Sauron. And one by one, sooner or later, according to their native strength and to the good or evil of their wills in the beginning, they fell under the thralldom of the ring that they bore and of the domination of the One which was Sauron's. And they became forever invisible save to him that wore the Ruling Ring, and they entered into the realm of shadows. The Nazgûl were they, the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terrible servants; darkness went with them, and they cried with the voices of death.—The Silmarillion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silmarillion): "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age," p. 289

This is an excerpt from the search on 'nazgul' on http://www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org/).
There'll have to be something else then. Thaks for your effort.

amidamaru27
1st April 2005, 07:30 PM
Heres a cool idea i just realized. How bout zombies can wield two weapons and have more weapons? Like weapons that cost 1 million? It would be freaking easy to get it. A name for it may be like a Double Blade Scythe(Strike and i got the Double Blade thing off Gundam Wing) and maybe Teleportation Cloak (Defense)? tell me if you think if that is a good idea.

remakaru
1st April 2005, 10:14 PM
Well, the zombie catapult is a good name, but well, it doesnt sound quite practical. What I mean to say is that 'zombie' and 'catapult' dont go quite together. A catapult throwing zombies at the enemy, well......it only sounds gross..it wont do any damage. A catapult thats operated by zombies, well it will still be a normal catapult. Hence, I think that Ive justified my opposition to the weapon. Dont get me wrong though, the name's good and thank you for the suggestion.

I think the Zombie catapult is a good idea. never underestimate the power of a good and rotten, pestilance and plague inflicted corpse. lots of death, suffering and chaos, which is a good thing.

:mistdrago


:backoff:

eth
1st April 2005, 11:59 PM
I think the Zombie catapult is a good idea. never underestimate the power of a good and rotten, pestilance and plague inflicted corpse. lots of death, suffering and chaos, which is a good thing.
As I said, the name's good, but the idea is not clear. Is it a catapult throwing zombies or a normal catapult operated by zombies, which makes it just a catapult.

remakaru
2nd April 2005, 04:24 AM
As I said, the name's good, but the idea is not clear. Is it a catapult throwing zombies or a normal catapult operated by zombies, which makes it just a catapult.

So why not call it the catapult of the undead? this implies that not only is it used by the zombies or skeletons but that it also has some hidden power to lull the oppnent into a sense of "oh that is just a normal catapult". the catapult doesnt neccasarily have to through kadavers it could in fact just fling pure death or disease.

Catapult of pestilance, Kadaverpult how do these sound?

eth
2nd April 2005, 05:04 AM
So why not call it the catapult of the undead? this implies that not only is it used by the zombies or skeletons but that it also has some hidden power to lull the oppnent into a sense of "oh that is just a normal catapult". the catapult doesnt neccasarily have to through kadavers it could in fact just fling pure death or disease.

Catapult of pestilance, Kadaverpult how do these sound?
Nice. Better than zombie catapult. Ive thought of something else...how about the deathbuchet (like trebuchet) Its in the lines of catapult. So, any takers?

King_arthur1234
2nd April 2005, 09:28 AM
the name is good but it might seem funny if a catapult is throwing zombies, they would just land on the enemy soldiers and they would yell and scream..... eeekkk!!
i guess we should think about what the catapult is going to throw. well..umm... they can throw 'dark spirit bombs' , these bombs will be loaded with the energies of the dark spirits. it might sound a bit foolish but it might be good. if anyone has better ideas for this then there are welcome to make any suggestions to this. i guess we could use a better name than bombs, so any1 has any ideas?

Toon_Warrior
2nd April 2005, 10:31 AM
how about if the catpaults were fileld with sharpened bones they wud fly round everyway cutting into soilders jus a throught.

NoKtUrNaL
2nd April 2005, 11:41 PM
how about if the catpaults were fileld with sharpened bones they wud fly round everyway cutting into soilders jus a throught.
I like this, staying with the medievil theme
also deathbuchet sounds pretty grim.. perhaps it could be filled with suicide troops that blow up therefore the high damage the 750,000 weapons do would make sense

King_arthur1234
2nd April 2005, 11:58 PM
how about if the catpaults were fileld with sharpened bones they wud fly round everyway cutting into soilders jus a throught.

hey great idea of those sharpened bones, it will suit the theme of koc. or as hot-nokturnal said we could put suicide soldiers like the kamikazes in the game 'serious sam' if anyone has played this game, then u will know these kamikazes.

eth
3rd April 2005, 12:15 AM
how about if the catpaults were fileld with sharpened bones they wud fly round everyway cutting into soilders jus a throught.Is that with the laws of physics? I dont think they'd recieve the right propulsion or projectile and angle to do that, well at least not from a catapult or a trebuchet. A weapon that uses the dark powers to its use to do this would be a welcome idea, a weapon that gives it the riht propulsion, angle and power to whirl around (This has to be a characteristic of the ammunition.) This could go well with a seperate weapon itself. Instead of just bones, how about bone disc, shaped like a frisbee which, on launching whirls around, cutting through the flesh and armour of the opponent and finally exploding into a dark flash that spreads around in a circular, flat explosion blinding everyone for a few instant like a flashbang and its spikes (bones), flying around hitting the enemy. This is a great weapon for a visual game or a movie like LOTR, but in a statistical game like KoC, we just need a weapon with a name that explains its purpose, hence the zombie catapult (definitely needs improvement), deathbuchet and the dark forcefield (cool). Any names upcoming?


I like this, staying with the medievil theme
also deathbuchet sounds pretty grim.. perhaps it could be filled with suicide troops that blow up therefore the high damage the 750,000 weapons do would make senseHmm.....practical...but needs a name like I said for the one who proposed flying bones lol!. (no offense to both of you)

King_arthur1234
3rd April 2005, 12:29 AM
i guess its a bit difficult to find a good name for the 750k weapon, there are many suggestions but as ethelorenas said we only want the name to explain everything. but i cant think of any such name. anyone has a good name for the 750k DA weapon. these catupults and all are the suggstions for the 750k SA weapon. i think invisibility shield has become boring and repetitive so it definitely needs to be replaced by some other name.

eth
3rd April 2005, 12:32 AM
I'm making a combined post about the weapons so ppl wont need to search for the post with the weapon names.

A] ATTACK WEAPONS
1. Pike 2000 gold
2. Ghostblade 3200 gold
3. Cutlass 5100 gold
4. Death Scythe (the thing that the grim reaper holds) 16,400 gold
5. Soul Harvester 50,000 gold
6. Zweihänder 200,000 gold
7. Blackpowder Missile. 750,000 gold
B] DEFENCE WEAPONS
1. Skullcap 2000 gold
2. Dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
3. Bonemail 5100 gold
4. Rustiron Armour 16400 gold
5. Spirit Shield 50,000 gold
6. Dark Forcefield 200,000 gold
7. Invisibility Shield 750,000 gold

NoKtUrNaL
3rd April 2005, 02:09 AM
Meh just stick with Invis shield and Black powder missle
the other races all have the same, may aswell stick to trend
then this can be over with :p

lukesalterego
3rd April 2005, 02:31 AM
For the 750000 defence weapon, why not have Balrog Skin. A Balrog is the Fire Demon that became famous in the lord of The rings: Fellowship of the ring in the mines of moria. That movie was great.
Bak on topic, A balrog skin is a unique armor in Diablo 2. I think it sounds pretty kool, better than Zombie Catapult (my bad)
Other suggestions are:
Shadow Armor
Soul Harvester(750k attack )
Undead Talons (750k attack) Talons are wrist attached claws. Here is a picture
http://www.diabloii.net/items/class-specific/images/asn-claw.gif

eth
3rd April 2005, 06:53 AM
For the 750000 defence weapon, why not have Balrog Skin. A Balrog is the Fire Demon that became famous in the lord of The rings: Fellowship of the ring in the mines of moria. That movie was great.
Bak on topic, A balrog skin is a unique armor in Diablo 2. I think it sounds pretty kool, better than Zombie Catapult (my bad)
Other suggestions are:
Shadow Armor
Soul Harvester(750k attack )
Undead Talons (750k attack) Talons are wrist attached claws.I know what a blarog is, as I myself am a huge Tolkien fan and have seen the trilogy and read LOTR, The Hobbit and the book of lost tales part 1. Your names are cool and I think they go with the other weapons. The talons are good, but they dont fit in the 750k place. I'll go with the soul harvester and shadow armour combo. It would be difficult to kill a balrog in the first place and balrogs are not exactly in the numbers of ants, if you know what I mean. Hence, though the name's good, an army having 24 balrog skins would look odd, coz those many balrogs are not available in midgard. [Middle earth has been derived from Midgard. Midgard----> Miderde (Anglo-Saxon)----> Middle Earth (Tolkien)] I'll remember this but shall not enter it as yet, because better suggestions still may come. I'll keep the places blank for a week, if no better suggestion is posted, then congratulations, your weapons have just won the place for the best weapon of the undead! Thank You for your co-operation.
-Ethelorenas, Lord of Numenor.

eth
3rd April 2005, 10:07 AM
Meh just stick with Invis shield and Black powder missle
the other races all have the same, may aswell stick to trend
then this can be over with :pTell me frankly, arent you bored of the same weapons all over the place, dont you want something new, something exotic..something.....something else? If you dont, well, I think you are welcome to play the game until you are bored of these:smile: .

NoKtUrNaL
3rd April 2005, 10:26 AM
Yes valid points, but dont you think they have left the last 2 the same for a reason? it just simplify's things
if you want a complex game there are many others out there
KoC is (well was) about strategies not flashy names and pictures, hence there being no pictures
a new race is fine but no need to completely re-vamp the game
Personally i hate the idea that somehow an invisible shield can do damage, it can protect but how does it do damage (read the details in your defends)

If you are going to make names for every single item may aswell do it for every race, so far only certain items here and there are altered, i guess they (admins)dont see it to be very important

eth
3rd April 2005, 10:42 AM
Yes valid points, but dont you think they have left the last 2 the same for a reason? it just simplify's things
if you want a complex game there are many others out there
KoC is (well was) about strategies not flashy names and pictures, hence there being no pictures
a new race is fine but no need to completely re-vamp the game
Personally i hate the idea that somehow an invisible shield can do damage, it can protect but how does it do damage (read the details in your defends)

If you are going to make names for every single item may aswell do it for every race, so far only certain items here and there are altered, i guess they (admins)dont see it to be very important
<sigh> maybe you are right. Well, I had left them as they were when I first proposed the idea of the undead. I decided to place the top weapons for public suggesting because they wanted it. I guess I'll just edit the post again then. I dont want the admins to think I'm just another person proposing a new race without doing any research. I'll put the soul harvester in the 50,000 slot I guess.

eth
3rd April 2005, 10:44 PM
I believe we have organised and compiled all the weapon names, so its time to finalize the race by selecting a bonus. There has been a lot of talk about this subject, without reaching any conclusion. If we overcome this last obstacle, we can suggest a planned report on the Undead Race to the Admins. This will impress them and maybe even convince them to consider our proposal.

My idea for the best bonus is 25% conversion factor. You will get 25% of the enemy casualties as untrained mercs. This is not final, I really welcome suggestions on this. People, please put forth your ideas on this, we can make this possible.

lukesalterego
4th April 2005, 12:03 AM
My idea for the best bonus is 25% conversion factor. You will get 25% of the enemy casualties as untrained mercs.

This an an awesome idea. It fits in well with the other bonuses and is also very effecyive. Untrained mercs would be better than soldiers cos u ant train them for spies, This is a really good idea ethelenoras

eth
4th April 2005, 06:07 AM
This an an awesome idea. It fits in well with the other bonuses and is also very effective. Untrained mercs would be better than soldiers cos u ant train them for spies, This is a really good idea ethelenorasThanks. I think it fits as a good bonus, as it does not affect your tbg, they are not untrained soldiers so they cant be trained. At the same time, you get soldiers that can be armed with weapons in addition to your daily quota. This system can be effective for 6+ casualties. However, a formula could be added for 2-6 casualties, you get one soldier. And the name's ethelorenas, no ethelenoras, <sigh> why didnt I choose something simpler?

This may not be that effective if you dont want soldiers unneccesarily, so I have another suggestion. 25% more effecient fortifications and siege weapons.

So which one is better?

Neth'khar
4th April 2005, 12:10 PM
We have to be fair with the bonus for the udnead army so that it is not an awesomely powerful army. I would say that the undead bonus should be one of these 3:

1. Five extra recruits per day
2. Cannot suffer casualties.
3. Has a 25 percent chance that when they kill an enemy troop, it becomes theirs and adds to their fighting force as an untrained and unequipped merc.

I think the undead race would be a brilliant addition to the game. When I first started it i wanted to be undead but the only thing that was evil i could find were the orcs.
As for the race specific weapons and armour that the undead should have. It should be a bone as the weakest weapon, the mount should be a zombified horse, they should also have bow and arrows as the ranged weps and scythes instead of warblades, also instead of dragon they should have a winged nightmare. There is no end to the possibilities

NoKtUrNaL
4th April 2005, 12:21 PM
1. Five extra recruits per day
2. Cannot suffer casualties.
3. Has a 25 percent chance that when they kill an enemy troop, it becomes theirs and adds to their fighting force as an untrained and unequipped merc.
The 3rd is already the favourite chocie here i dont think suffering 0 casualties would be fair at all, when 30,000 troops march onto a battlefield and 0 die it would instantly become the dominating race as humans are
5 extra recruits a day...that could work
but how about
After each Fortification upgrade you gain and extra 5+ Units per day?

Rapt0r-15
4th April 2005, 01:51 PM
ok, as the name applies, they should not be able to die unless trained. they should get a lower tbg. killed enemies should join them. that would make for an interesting race.
i think that is the best suggest i have ever read

eth
4th April 2005, 10:33 PM
We have to be fair with the bonus for the udnead army so that it is not an awesomely powerful army. I would say that the undead bonus should be one of these 3:

1. Five extra recruits per day
2. Cannot suffer casualties.
3. Has a 25 percent chance that when they kill an enemy troop, it becomes theirs and adds to their fighting force as an untrained and unequipped merc.
The second suggestion cannot be resoned with, it will make them totally invincible. That should not happen at all. 5 extra recruits per day will be beneficial for low-rankers. For high rankers, these 5 may die in an attack anyway, so no big. For the third suggestion, I think my version is better. 25% conversion chance means that you wont always get their soldiers. So getting 25% of their soldiers is better than 25% chance of getting them all. This will also solve the merc problem that we KoC players are facing currently,dont you think?

King_arthur1234
5th April 2005, 05:15 AM
hey but if the enemy doeas not suffer casualties then what are you going to do? many a times i attack ppl and many times they dont suffer casualties or they suffer only some casualties. its ok if u are defeating a huge army or something and there arwe lot of untrained soldiers as they will be the ones who will die. anyway i think it is the best idea upto now out there. even i feel getting 25% of their dead soldiers is better than 25% chance of getting all of their casualties. in the second case the factor 25% will be too less, so u wont get soldiers always and if the factor is increased to 50% or more then it will become unfair according to me. and as ethelorenas said it wuld solve the merc scarcity that we are facing right now. i am stickin with getting 25% of their casualties thing, if any1 does have better ideas than this then they are always welcome.

the SA names and DA names are just cool. i think so we have sorted out the names. we can finalize the names. but cooler names than this are also welcome. but i guess the names are good and we can finalize them and I FEEL that there wont be any need for making changes to these names.

TCC
5th April 2005, 06:16 AM
I dont know about everyone else, but i think there should be a race with a sentry bonus, i dont think that would fit the undead, but its a good idea. I dont know. I like the idea though, they would make a good race. ::Votes yes::

MlA
5th April 2005, 06:27 AM
Yeah that's a good idea becasue it's kinda hard to hid you gold and be sab proof where now it's much easier sab and recon.

Anyway back to topic i think undead should have the ability to bring back some of it's troops and also have a like maybe 10% bonus attack?

NoKtUrNaL
5th April 2005, 07:30 AM
I dont know about everyone else, but i think there should be a race with a sentry bonus, i dont think that would fit the undead, but its a good idea. I dont know. I like the idea though, they would make a good race. ::Votes yes::
Uh elves... get a 22% covert, this includes sentry
please stay focused, why would undead be able to excell in sentry? we want it to to match
I agree there should be some form of attack bonus, as the undead are known to be great brutes ;)

eth
5th April 2005, 08:26 AM
If an additional 10% attack bonus is added, then it wont be fair as every race will need one. Also, the attack bonus already is with the orcs and they are known to be uglier brutes than the undead. I dont know about you people, but i see the orcs as like the dark templars and archons in starcraft. For the horse part, how about headless steed? (50000 gold)

eth
6th April 2005, 03:09 AM
People, please dont turn me down at the last moment. All left to do now is fill the 50,000 weapon gap and then I'll post the whole structure of the undead to the admins. Not now, but when the age starts coming to an end. Or atleast I'll post it to them by April 15, but only if we can fill the gap with a new name.

lukesalterego
6th April 2005, 05:10 AM
ghostblade?
boneblade?
Flesh Ripper?
Flesh Render?
Infernal Lacerator?
Death Trident?
Spine Ripper?
Just some suggestions :woot: :wave:

eth
6th April 2005, 07:57 AM
ghostblade?
boneblade?
Flesh Ripper?
Flesh Render?
Infernal Lacerator?
Death Trident?
Spine Ripper?
Just some suggestions :woot: :wave:Its upto you. Franky, I dont know what a lacerator is:eek13: . I think I have made too much suggestions for now. Its totally upto you which do you think is best out of these? They are pretty good. I think a modification to death trident to black trident would be good coz there are too may weapons starting with death and dark. Which do you like most? Give me the answer and I'll tell you whether I approve.

King_arthur1234
6th April 2005, 09:24 AM
ghostblade has already been chosen and i think so black trident will sound more good than death trident. coz death has been used in many other names. but what has been chosen as the 750k DA weapon?? and about the bonus, i feel 10% attack bonus will make it unfair because all the other races have only one bonus and the attack bonus has already been given to the orcs. AND ORCS are definitely more BRUTAL than the undead. anyway its upto you to choose what bonus and what not.

Elite_Member_of_Chaos
6th April 2005, 11:12 AM
well the bonus could be if ur undead then when u attack someone if anybody dies in the other guys army automaticly becomes a untrained soldier for u, u know they rise from the dead and become an untrained ur soldier, so if u attack someone and kill 40 people, if ur undead those 40 people become 40 untrained soldiers for u.... wat do u think?

Edit: sorry it seems this has been already suggested sorry i hadn't read the whole thread. :erm:

Rapt0r-15
6th April 2005, 12:50 PM
well the bonus could be if ur undead then when u attack someone if anybody dies in the other guys army automaticly becomes a untrained soldier for u, u know they rise from the dead and become an untrained ur soldier, so if u attack someone and kill 40 people, if ur undead those 40 people become 40 untrained soldiers for u.... wat do u think?

Edit: sorry it seems this has been already suggested sorry i hadn't read the whole thread. :erm:
i thought about it
but sometimes it doesn't be fair because big accouts loses about 15,000-20,000 soldiers and if your attack very good you get 15-20k soldiers per attack :nono:

edit: i thought about it again and i think it can be possible because your soldiers die too :)

lukesalterego
6th April 2005, 03:49 PM
Its upto you. Franky, I dont know what a lacerator is . I think I have made too much suggestions for now. Its totally upto you which do you think is best out of these? They are pretty good. I think a modification to death trident to black trident would be good coz there are too may weapons starting with death and dark. Which do you like most? Give me the answer and I'll tell you whether I approve.

Black Trident does sound better than death trident, it has definetely been over used in everyones suggestions. A lacerator is just a word i made up that means a wepon that lacerates, kind of like a "cutter".
All the weapon names are good, but we need a bonus. I like the idea of 25% of enemy casualties become untrained mercenaries, so at least they wont earn Turn Based Gold.
How about as well as getting 25% of the enemies casualties, your men are weaker, so that if you attacked someone and killed 100 men, you get 25 men, but you would lose some of your of your own, so that it isnt possible to gain 15000 soldiers an attack, rather your loss balnaces out the gain to be an OK level. But that is just a suggestion, i dont know if anyone will like it.

King_arthur1234
6th April 2005, 11:35 PM
Black Trident does sound better than death trident, it has definetely been over used in everyones suggestions. A lacerator is just a word i made up that means a wepon that lacerates, kind of like a "cutter".
All the weapon names are good, but we need a bonus. I like the idea of 25% of enemy casualties become untrained mercenaries, so at least they wont earn Turn Based Gold.
How about as well as getting 25% of the enemies casualties, your men are weaker, so that if you attacked someone and killed 100 men, you get 25 men, but you would lose some of your of your own, so that it isnt possible to gain 15000 soldiers an attack, rather your loss balnaces out the gain to be an OK level. But that is just a suggestion, i dont know if anyone will like it.

Look its just a raw suggestion. I'm ethelorenas posting from arthur's comp, so dont say what the hell am i alking about through arthur. Ive not possessed him or anthing, i'm just using his account through his comp WITH him BESIDE me. Ok, now what I wanted to say was, that the percentage can be increased to 30-35%, but more than that will be unfair. Maybe the gained soldiers could be made untrained soldiers instead of mercs as the bonus would be too, extremely, heavily,. uhhh...freakishly weak. AT lleast you would gain more tbg through the untrained soldiers. You can train them and be less dependant on recruiters. Untrained mercs will die as soon as an attack is made on you. You can only arm them, not train them and not get any tbg. so, well, they will be usless.
Another modification could be that the soldiers that die when you attack them i.e. their defence soldiers be added as trained defence mercs and the soldiers that die when someone attack you (their attack soldiers) get added as your attack mercs.
Personally, I think that the first modification (i.e. of the untrained soldiers) is better because:
1) If nobody attacks you or you get attacked very rarely, then you wont get any or extremely few attack mercs.
2) If no soldiers die, then there is no use for this. No soldiers die in armies below 100, right?
I guess Ive made my point. This is a long post, but its very important, so please read it.---Ethelorenas.

eth
8th April 2005, 04:00 AM
Ok, these are the finalised weapons and stats for the undead.

THE UNDEAD

A] ATTACK WEAPONS
1. Pike 2000 gold
2. Ghostblade 3200 gold
3. Cutlass 5100 gold
4. Scythe 16,400 gold
5. Trident 50,000 gold
6. Zweihänder 200,000 gold
7. Blackpowder Missile. 750,000 gold
B] DEFENCE WEAPONS
1. Skullcap 2000 gold
2. Dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
3. Bonemail 5100 gold
4. Rustiron Armour 16400 gold
5. Spirit Shield 50,000 gold
6. Dark Forcefield 200,000 gold
7. Invisibility Shield 750,000 gold

Skill Bonus:
40% conversion factor. 40% of enemy casualties are converted into untrained soldiers.

lukesalterego
8th April 2005, 04:25 AM
that sounds pretty good, i dont like that the blackpowder missile is still there, and the invisibilty shield, but i understand that some people would want them to be back for age 5 (if it does come along), but the undead sounds lkike a really good race. You have done well ethelorenas, the best organised thread about a new race i have seen so far.
:woot: :wave:

eth
9th April 2005, 04:53 AM
There's just one final thing remaining. Can anybody create a coat of arms for the race. That shall impress the admins for sure. It should be the same as of the other races in age 4, except it should have a different colour. If the do add this race and make a new coat of arms for each race, they would atleast have an option we choose.

NoKtUrNaL
9th April 2005, 07:27 AM
Oh i agree, and it has to be grey ;) someone with some sort of graphical talent should be involved..someone get one!

eth
9th April 2005, 11:03 AM
Oh i agree, and it has to be grey ;) someone with some sort of graphical talent should be involved..someone get one!Whoa! Our thoughts match exactly. Grey was the first colour that struck me when I was typing that post. But well, the background of KoC is well grey-black, so it wouldnt stand out. How does prussian blue with white dragons and whatever exists as design on the shield sound?

NoKtUrNaL
9th April 2005, 12:41 PM
How about make the shield bones? with blood on it (to help it stand out)
Im not saying pure white but a kind of decayed bone white, the KoC background is black, i cannot see much grey that would interfere with a Grey shield design

Do you play DarkThrone Ethelorenas?? they have undead in that and the shield picture would be okay, but its rounded (this may go great with your name for the shield..persian round shield)
If you want i'll send you a link where u can see the shield, but round would be different from the other 4.. maybe each should have their own
humans metal shield, elves some sort of illuminating shield (cause they r mystical :p)
cannot be bothered to think of other two
but that wouldnt be suitable for this thread :)

Tau
9th April 2005, 04:05 PM
Logical race bonus should be something like 25% resurrection on all lost soldiers.

That would be great if it was ALL lost soldiers - not just your own casualties, but ALL the soldiers that die in the battle.

Wararyuu
9th April 2005, 08:59 PM
I think it is the best new race idea to date..Totally agree that they should be implemented in Age 5

XwaR
9th April 2005, 10:27 PM
That would be great if it was ALL lost soldiers - not just your own casualties, but ALL the soldiers that die in the battle.

That is not good. DEFINETLY not good. Whats gonna stop the #1 SA from 5x1 all of the first 10 pages and getting hundreds of thousands of soldiers?

And this race with the 25% cheaper fort and siege will only be picked by those who are extremely low ranked with small TBG. Whats the point when you can get HOG in a week without this crappy bonus?


"If its not broken, why fix it?"

I think we should make races stay the same.

eth
10th April 2005, 07:50 AM
That would be great if it was ALL lost soldiers - not just your own casualties, but ALL the soldiers that die in the battle.Since you are an administrator and all, with all due respect, I believe you know how the humans became the strongest race (statistically) in age 3. I wasnt around that time, but from the threads I have read about this, it was the reason the humans, or in that case all races were constricted to a bonus that woould not make them all-powerful, yet give them an advantage that is equally balanced by an advantage of another race. 100% soldier conversion would make them well, unfair as the the bonuses should, must be balanced. So, 35% or whatever percentage that was mentioned in the final stats post has been finalised after a lot of debate. Thank you for posting in this thread, even giving it attention, but it would be really helpful if youwould try and get someone to make a coat of arms for the undead. I mean you are an administration and you have a lot of useful contacts. I'm requesting you, please help us to take this forward as we have taken a lot of efforts to make this possible and we would be really dissapointed if this failed after so much finesse.
-Ethelorenas.


That is not good. DEFINETLY not good. Whats gonna stop the #1 SA from 5x1 all of the first 10 pages and getting hundreds of thousands of soldiers?

And this race with the 25% cheaper fort and siege will only be picked by those who are extremely low ranked with small TBG. Whats the point when you can get HOG in a week without this crappy bonus?


"If its not broken, why fix it?"

I think we should make races stay the same.The 25% cheaper bonus was voted out ages ago. Please read the last two pages of this thread. The compiled finalised information is given there to save the viewers some time. We are not fixing KoC, we are helping it evolve.


How about make the shield bones? with blood on it (to help it stand out)
Im not saying pure white but a kind of decayed bone white, the KoC background is black, i cannot see much grey that would interfere with a Grey shield design

Do you play DarkThrone Ethelorenas?? they have undead in that and the shield picture would be okay, but its rounded (this may go great with your name for the shield..persian round shield)
If you want i'll send you a link where u can see the shield, but round would be different from the other 4.. maybe each should have their own
humans metal shield, elves some sort of illuminating shield (cause they r mystical :p)
cannot be bothered to think of other two
but that wouldnt be suitable for this thread :)
I like your ideas, I really do. But thats exactly the thing. If we put an ad in th advertisement or art forums, would it be better, and yes, please put in a link, it would be really helpful. Just put in there that it is relevant to the topic of the game as it is raw material for our future plans, no mod shall harm you then!:footballh

NoKtUrNaL
10th April 2005, 09:18 AM
Thx Ethelorenas heres the Undead Logo (i guess you can call it that)
http://www.darkthrone.com/images/defaultavatars/2.jpg
The other 3 race's shields (Elves, Goblins and humans) can be viewed by changing the 2 to a 1, 3 and 4 :)
Naturally you cannot take it but it would be simple to modify it to suit Kings Of Chaos :D

master_prince
10th April 2005, 09:40 AM
I like the idea.. but to make it work they do have to have some flaws like awefull recons and sabs otherwise it's just a too powerfull race... and I have little idea on any weapon names :S I did think of some things maybe weaker weapons or upgrades like Voodoo Doll
or a Life Leech "an artifact that draws its power from your enemies"

eth
10th April 2005, 12:01 PM
I like the idea.. but to make it work they do have to have some flaws like awefull recons and sabs otherwise it's just a too powerfull race... and I have little idea on any weapon names :S I did think of some things maybe weaker weapons or upgrades like Voodoo Doll
or a Life Leech "an artifact that draws its power from your enemies"I'm sorry, but we've already finalised the weapons and bonus. nly the designing of the logo remains. If you are a graphics designer, please feel welcome to help us.


Thx Ethelorenas heres the Undead Logo (i guess you can call it that)
http://www.darkthrone.com/images/defaultavatars/2.jpg
The other 3 race's shields (Elves, Goblins and humans) can be viewed by changing the 2 to a 1, 3 and 4 :)
Naturally you cannot take it but it would be simple to modify it to suit Kings Of Chaos :D
What pic? I could see no pic. it said something like external use of pics is not allowed!

King_arthur1234
10th April 2005, 12:04 PM
this has been a great thread and lot of suggestions have come over here. i feel that undead should DEFINITELY be there in AGE 5. Hot-nokturnal, i could not see the image that you were talking about for the undead coat of arms( i mean WILL BE undead coat of arms). it says that dark throne does not allow the external use of images. does that mean that i will have to sign up for that game as well or nothing like that. if its needed to sign up then you can post the image instead, IF ITS FINE with YOU that is. :)

NoKtUrNaL
10th April 2005, 12:13 PM
oh okay my bad, i tried to just link you to the image at the site
here this will work http://www.users.on.net/~pagr/undeadcoatofarms.jpg]http://www.users.on.net/~pagr/undeadcoatofarms.jpg

eth
10th April 2005, 12:27 PM
Ok, I know this is bad, but it was the best I could manage by editing the elven shield.

Tau
10th April 2005, 02:19 PM
I mean you are an administration and you have a lot of useful contacts. I'm requesting you, please help us to take this forward as we have taken a lot of efforts to make this possible and we would be really dissapointed if this failed after so much finesse.
-Ethelorenas.

I think you're confusing me being a GUA admin, with being a KoC admin.





To clarify my earlier post, I meant 25% conversion on soldiers lost from both sides - and to be honest I don't see any problem with people 5 x 1ing the top 10. They could equally well choose to be Undead couldn't they? I think it would really help to shake up the status quo - at the moment there really is no substitute for having massive amounts of soldiers.

NoKtUrNaL
10th April 2005, 02:58 PM
Hmm perhaps 20% of your own deaths and 5% of enemies?
Tau ya have a very good point but if they are able to mass the top 10 their own losses would be so heavy it would simply balance it out wouldnt it? perhaps a tiny gain of about 50 men
Just enough to make it a reason for 1 in the top 10 to play it :) reason enough
last age i dont think there was a race of each in top 10
hopefully next age there is, this one is alot better......end of rant

eth
10th April 2005, 09:49 PM
I think you're confusing me being a GUA admin, with being a KoC admin.
I know that you are a GUA admin, but I thought you just might be knowing someone of the KoC admins or maybe someone who does good grapjics designing perhaps? The second part of your post, ID didnt get it.

NoKtUrNaL
10th April 2005, 11:28 PM
To clarify my earlier post, I meant 25% conversion on soldiers lost from both sides - and to be honest I don't see any problem with people 5 x 1ing the top 10. They could equally well choose to be Undead couldn't they? I think it would really help to shake up the status quo - at the moment there really is no substitute for having massive amounts of soldiers.
He/She (sorry i dunno that one..) is saying that if someone was undead with 25% conversion on the dead soldiers..for both sides
Then they could easily 5x1 a person with alot of soldiers and thus boost their army more

But...How about (if they decide to bring in new unit types) the undead get give Hostless Souls, which have to be put into a trained attack or defense soldier before being able to be utilized
maybe that can be a stronger soldier....meh
or you could jsut get given untrained mercs only (add no TBG) when you raise the dead
or as i said just 20% of your own, 5% of enemies deaths in total
Cause you cannot exactly take away your slain enemies all that successfully if you attack them however you can easily re-animate your own from being attacked

eth
11th April 2005, 03:55 AM
Ok, I get something about this, but instead of more pondering, how about introducing something like when undead attack undead, a random factor reduces the the number of casualties each side gets by 5-10% based on the difference between SA and DA.
btw, check the previous page. Ive made some templates for the coat of arms.

NoKtUrNaL
11th April 2005, 07:50 AM
Nice shields, i like the blue and grey, perhaps the grey symbols on the shields could be pure black? or a dark blue
I dont really know
this thread should be finalised and closed though
too many people arent reading the 10 pages and keep suggesting same crap...
After it is decided 100% successfully maybe contact an admin with the idea? i dont wanna have to do it since i dont like the waiting game involved in trying to get something out of them...

eth
11th April 2005, 10:30 AM
Me neither, but until we get some graphics designer, we are stuck where we are. God, now where on earth will I find a graphics designer who does stuff for free?

frozen_banana
11th April 2005, 01:59 PM
I don't know if you guyes alreaddy talked about the COLOR the new race should have?

If you DID, sorry :P

Otherwise, i thing, black (grey) would be nice, or very dark yellow?

grtz

eth
11th April 2005, 09:48 PM
I don't know if you guyes alreaddy talked about the COLOR the new race should have?

If you DID, sorry :P

Otherwise, i thing, black (grey) would be nice, or very dark yellow?

grtzYes, we have talked about colour. Its okay though since the thread's gotten much longer than expected before, you cannot possibly view every single page of it. Now, I think grey is the best option again. So, how do I contact the admins?

meleemaster
11th April 2005, 11:20 PM
What do you think of this? I used my 1337 Paint skills to mix a few shields together.

If you click it you can see moss (from the dwarf shield) and a chunk taken out (orc shield). I thought undead would be more like that. It still needs major work though.

eth
12th April 2005, 03:12 AM
Good work melee, instead of moss, could you add blood to it?

meleemaster
12th April 2005, 03:24 AM
I was thinking that too.


Maybe this? I added some dried blood and rust and took the moss away.

eth
12th April 2005, 07:19 AM
Its a job well done. Well, the rust needs a bit more depth, but overall, its presentable, i'd give it a 7/10. I modified your shield in two parts, made them a bit more gory and smoother. I think the second ones' better. But well, see for yourselves.

NoKtUrNaL
12th April 2005, 07:24 AM
Goddamn i love you graphics people :)
All 3 are awesome but i think the second attatchment you have posted Ethelorenas is the one
The one with a bit less blood
Man.. now my hopes will be up :( expecting Undead next age, c'mon Admins checkout this thread

eth
12th April 2005, 10:35 AM
nokturnal, you, lukesaltergo and arthur havebeen of great help in this. Well, if its the final shield, shall it be O.K. if I finalise all the data?

NoKtUrNaL
12th April 2005, 10:56 AM
Yah well you did most the work so you should finish it :) Could a mod perhaps close this after Ethelorenas has finalised it? to avoid it becoming tainted...:p

eth
12th April 2005, 12:12 PM
THE UNDEAD
A] ATTACK WEAPONS
1. Pike 2000 gold
2. Ghostblade 3200 gold
3. Cutlass 5100 gold
4. Scythe 16,400 gold
5. Trident 50,000 gold
6. Zweihänder 200,000 gold
7. Blackpowder Missile. 750,000 gold
B] DEFENCE WEAPONS
1. Skullcap 2000 gold
2. Dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
3. Bonemail 5100 gold
4. Rustiron Armour 16400 gold
5. Spirit Shield 50,000 gold
6. Dark Forcefield 200,000 gold
7. Invisibility Shield 750,000 gold

Skill Bonus:
40% conversion factor. 40% of enemy casualties are converted into untrained soldiers.

The Undead Shield:
file://D:\Documents and Settings\Chinmay\My Documents\My Pictures\Undead\Undead Shield 2.2.jpg (file://D<img%20src=/)

I would like to thank all the people who have posted in this thread, made the suggestions and been an integral part of this thread. I would also like to thank the moderator Zap and the mods of this forum, the administration of GUA for allowing this thread to exist. In particular, Tau who found this thread a priority to post in.
Special thanks to:
HoT-NoKtUrNaL, for sticking with me from start till end.
lukesaltergo, for his suggestions.
amidamaru27, for his/her support.
King_arthur1234, for being such a buddy.
Tau, for giving us his co-operation.
Zap, for being here.
NERD_loserfreak, for the basic idea for our final bonus.
Last but certainly not the least,
meleemaster, for providing us with the undead shield.
This information shall be provided to the KoC admins as soon as possible.
People who supported me in the poll, thank you very much. People who opposed me, thanks as well, for I do not know what.
Those who have anything to say to me, pm me or e-mail me at sentinel_chyms@yahoo.com and please put your subject as undead. I also request people to message/mail me the e-mail addresses of the KoC admins. Thank You.


:wave::wave:

frozen_banana
12th April 2005, 02:10 PM
Oeoeoe, cool, sounds good ^^

grtz

eth
13th April 2005, 01:44 AM
Ok, mods, it is ok now to close this thread. Its purpose is done.

rooiiedonder
13th April 2005, 02:31 AM
Well, thanks for your support, proxnet. What do you think of their special ability being receiving some part of the enemy soldiers as their own?

Well, for the defense weapons, how this:
the weapon gradation according to price:
skullcap 2000 gold
dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
bonemail 5100 gold
rustiron armour 16400 gold
spirit shield 50,000 gold
dark forcefield 200,000 gold
invisibility shield 750,000 gold

for the 750,000 gold weapon i had a differant name in mind

called "dark magician shield"

NoKtUrNaL
13th April 2005, 02:58 AM
If you read the previous pages we had came up with several ideas for 750,000 weapon but for 4 races they haven't chagned it to specify so we decided not to
Theres really nothing wrong with it, everyone has gotten used to it now...

eth
13th April 2005, 08:33 AM
Moreover, there's nothing left to be added. it has all been finalised, except the part that I dont know how to contact the admins, but well, its not a big hurdle. it would be like much of a wannabe idea instead of a serious one, if we replaced the invisibility shield and blackpowder missile. I'm gonna post them the link to this thread for them to see how much popular and serious this thread has been.

King_arthur1234
13th April 2005, 10:29 AM
AWESOME WORK Ethelorenas!! i like the way u have developed this new race, i think so u have taken care of everyting except conatacting the admins and adding this race to AGe 5. the undead shield i liked it a lot. it suits the undead really well. well this thread has finally achieved its goal i think, there have been lot of suggestions and thanx everyone who voted and posted for co-operating with my buddy ethelorenas. Hot-nokturnal u have been an integral part of this thread( i think so much more than me), thanx for ur help :D .i really hope that the admins add this race, my hopes are quite high.

meleemaster
13th April 2005, 04:39 PM
...but you did a great job fixing the shield :) Paint doesn't have blur tools :D I should download a more advanced program.

Also, when does the next age start? Because we must have a fair bit of time so it's not as urgent, and if the KoC admins don't do that much they will have time to consider it.

eth
13th April 2005, 11:52 PM
Well, when the mods wake up, they'll close the thread. But, as for the program,I did it using photoshop 7.0. Not much though just added some transparent colour, used the smudge tool with 50% threshhold and some more transparent colour, shades, tint and voila! Took 15-20 minutes.

King_arthur1234
15th April 2005, 06:16 AM
i dont understand why this thread is not being closed. it has finished its purpose and many ppl are posting same ideas again and agtain. i know that it is difficult to rummage through all the 12 pages, so it will better that this thread is closed as everything has been finalized. the info just needs to be sent to the admins.

luaraul
15th April 2005, 10:19 AM
What about introducing Prisoners of War?

el--diablo
15th April 2005, 10:33 AM
i think that th eorginal idea whups all the others

cant_last_(banned)
15th April 2005, 10:35 AM
undead would be awsome. i think spirit force should be last for defence. spirit force can like make u invincible it would rock. :brucelee:

eth
15th April 2005, 11:52 AM
What about introducing Prisoners of War?Look, everything has been finalised. There are NO prisoners of war. The undead are supposed to have a conversion factor, which gives them soldiers....why am I explaining this? Read the thread will you? It has gone long enough, and has been finalised. Its not my fault the mods arent closing it. OK? NO MORE SUGGESTIONS! EVERYTHIng HAS BEEN FINALISED, DONT POST HERE ADDING THINGS HERE AND THERE, DONT DO THAT! IT FREAKS ME OUT, REPLYING TO THESE STUPID THINGS!


undead would be awsome. i think spirit force should be last for defence. spirit force can like make u invincible it would rock. :brucelee:NOTHING IS LEFT TO BE ADDED! PLEASE NO MORE SUGGESTIONS.DUE TO THIS CRAP, THE FINAL LIST HAS DROPPED ON TO THE SECOND-LAST PAGE! IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST POST, BUT NO, THE MODS HAVE TO LET THE THREAD CONTINUE AND CONFUSE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT YET LEARNT THE HABITOF LOOKING AT THE SECOND AND THIRD-LAST PAGES ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THE LAST ONE!

THE FINAL STATS:

THE UNDEAD
A] ATTACK WEAPONS
1. Pike 2000 gold
2. Ghostblade 3200 gold
3. Cutlass 5100 gold
4. Scythe 16,400 gold
5. Trident 50,000 gold
6. Zweihänder 200,000 gold
7. Blackpowder Missile. 750,000 gold
B] DEFENCE WEAPONS
1. Skullcap 2000 gold
2. Dhal 3200 gold (its an indo-persian round shield)
3. Bonemail 5100 gold
4. Rustiron Armour 16400 gold
5. Spirit Shield 50,000 gold
6. Dark Forcefield 200,000 gold
7. Invisibility Shield 750,000 gold

Skill Bonus:
40% conversion factor. 40% of enemy casualties are converted into untrained soldiers.

The Undead Shield:
file://D:\Documents and Settings\Chinmay\My Documents\My Pictures\Undead\Undead Shield 2.2.jpg (file://D<img%20src=/)

I would like to thank all the people who have posted in this thread, made the suggestions and been an integral part of this thread. I would also like to thank the moderator Zap and the mods of this forum, the administration of GUA for allowing this thread to exist. In particular, Tau who found this thread a priority to post in.
Special thanks to:
HoT-NoKtUrNaL, for sticking with me from start till end.
lukesaltergo, for his suggestions.
amidamaru27, for his/her support.
King_arthur1234, for being such a buddy.
Tau, for giving us his co-operation.
Zap, for being here.
NERD_loserfreak, for the basic idea for our final bonus.
Last but certainly not the least,
meleemaster, for providing us with the undead shield.
This information shall be provided to the KoC admins as soon as possible.
People who supported me in the poll, thank you very much. People who opposed me, thanks as well, for I do not know what.
Those who have anything to say to me, pm me or e-mail me at sentinel_chyms@yahoo.com and please put your subject as undead. I also request people to message/mail me the e-mail addresses of the KoC admins. Thank You.


:wave::wave:

Zap
15th April 2005, 12:11 PM
Ethelorenas, I think it would help the KoC admins a lot if you posted the final version of your great suggestion in your first post so they don't have to read all the pages through

eth
15th April 2005, 10:56 PM
Ok, will do, thanks, but how do I contact the andmins? WHOA! COW! AVATAR! OMG!:rofl:

Swordmaster
16th April 2005, 01:31 PM
yeah i think the animate dead bonus is good...if the mage spellcaster thing works out they can have necromancers who have a spell summon undead. Bone dragon would be good weapon. dont like it? :( or do like it? :)

NoKtUrNaL
16th April 2005, 02:33 PM
Hmm, bone dragon was suggested...disagreed
decided the thread should of been closed after everything was finalised however it hasn't...

Swordmaster
16th April 2005, 02:56 PM
oh ok but what about the rest?

...seem to be seing alot of you :)

meleemaster
16th April 2005, 06:41 PM
You can't keep depending on other suggestions to go ahead to help yours, you need something original.

valxtrarie
16th April 2005, 11:58 PM
I think an undead race would be nice... something new and sound good. Perhaps my mage/magic suggestion could come to play with the undead race. After all, they are supernatural and so is magic! =)

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 01:27 AM
yes but dont you think Shadow Elves would be a nice addition....Like assassins?

eth
17th April 2005, 01:54 AM
This thread is inofficially closed as its all the final stats have been given and well, finalised. So please no more suggestions. All of what has been unneccesarily been suggested in the past few days has been droned over long before you typed your ideas. Everything has been discussed over and over again. Please read the first post, and you'll understand everything. There shall be no magic as there is no magicin KoC in the first pace and we dont want to blow our best chance to make it to age 5 (the race). Nokturnal has been around from the start to answer your question and so he's seen around a lot. If any more races ae going to be suggested, please follow the procedure of this thread and post them in the special official new race thread created by vegnablitz. Thank You. I hope we get no more suggestions here or I'll freak out.

-Ethelorenas, creator of the Undead and starter of this thread.

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 02:00 AM
Suggestion suggestion suggestion

meleemaster
17th April 2005, 02:51 AM
Swordmaster, you are plain annoying and put little to no thought in any of your posts.

"Yes.. good enough idea."

That's an example of a thoughtless post, especially in the Throne Room, and you happen to have posted it. Read the stickies if you want to know how to post more constructively, and in the end, much better.

Swordmaster
17th April 2005, 02:53 AM
shut it

Zap
17th April 2005, 03:30 AM
I take it as Ethelorenas wants this thread to be closed from what I read in one of his last replies so I am lcoking this thread

*locked*

I am wrong, let me know so I can reopen it again

*unlocked as requested*

eth
12th May 2005, 11:52 AM
I take it as Ethelorenas wants this thread to be closed from what I read in one of his last replies so I am lcoking this thread

*locked*

I am wrong, let me know so I can reopen it again

*unlocked as requested*Thanks Zap. Now, let me make this clear first and foremost, that the thread for the Undead shall not include any new suggestions, either for the stats, or for anything else. Only those who have been an integral part of the constructive process of the Undead shall be recommended to post here. This may sound rude, but it is solely for the purpose of the campaign to help the Undead make it tot he next age.
Polls are still open.

-----O-----
Now, re-opening of this thread may sound a bit too early to some, but I was just sifting through all the data, and I found that though all of it had been completed, but it lacked finesse. I am of course going to elaborate on that, but let us make it through steps. Following are the are areas needing a finishing touch and/or modifications, according to me-

1) Trident (50,000 gold) -AW-

The name's good, but it quite doesnt sound worthy of the 50k tag on it. Needs a better name. {Name should be realistic, not overly imaginative and one word if possible, which makes perfect sense according to the English dictionary}

2)Bonemail (5100 gold) -DW-
Its good, but physically its a bit out-of-place, I mean, the undead are all rotten skin and bone right? So why would they wear more bones. Again, modification or refining.

3) Dark Forcefield (200,000 gold) -DW-
I know this one's mine, but I now quite disagree with it, because a forcefield is too strong a weapon, and sounds abit futuristic. I welcome all modifications to this. {What I want to convey through this weapon is a dark aura around the soldier who conjures it /wears it that provides high protection. This is just a description of the weapon, we just want a name}

4) The Undead Coat-of-Arms -GP-
The one we finalised is good, but can definately use improvement in the graphical detail area, especially the background and such. All skilled graphic designers welcome to contribute.

Legend-
-AW- Attack Weapon.
-DW- Defence Weapon.
-GP- Graphics.

Dragon-slayer
12th May 2005, 04:46 PM
i think it woul be cool if the race of the undead came with all that advantages but also make other advantages for the other races to make more interesting this game but also add disventages to the races, like i dont know making the orcs more weak than undead but the undead weaker than elves or something like that, what do you think about my idea???

sorry about my english

i think it woul be cool if the race of the undead came with all that advantages but also make other advantages for the other races to make more interesting this game but also add disventages to the races, like i dont know making the orcs more weak than undead but the undead weaker than elves or something like that, what do you think about my idea???

sorry about my english

eth
13th May 2005, 02:26 AM
i think it woul be cool if the race of the undead came with all that advantages but also make other advantages for the other races to make more interesting this game but also add disventages to the races, like i dont know making the orcs more weak than undead but the undead weaker than elves or something like that, what do you think about my idea???

sorry about my english

i think it woul be cool if the race of the undead came with all that advantages but also make other advantages for the other races to make more interesting this game but also add disventages to the races, like i dont know making the orcs more weak than undead but the undead weaker than elves or something like that, what do you think about my idea???

sorry about my englishI really dont know if this is the place for what you have said. I asked for this thread to be reopened as I felt something patching up was left to bedone, and this discussion needed to be extended more.

NoKtUrNaL
13th May 2005, 03:22 AM
Current--Replacements
Trident--Black Sword{meh i honestly can come up with nothing better :p !}
Bonemail--Rotting Flesh{Undead would pick up flesh of their slain brethren or foe and use it to shield themselves}
Dark Forcefield--Warrior Soul{Undead feast (or inhale :p whatever) the soul's of warriors thus boosting their damage..?}
Dark Forcefield--Corpse-A-Pault(sorry if misspelt){Defense weapon, therefore it would rarely have to move and the slain soldiers of both sides are fired at the enemy...?}

eth
13th May 2005, 03:53 AM
Current--Replacements
Trident--Black Sword{meh i honestly can come up with nothing better :p !}
Bonemail--Rotting Flesh{Undead would pick up flesh of their slain brethren or foe and use it to shield themselves}
Dark Forcefield--Warrior Soul{Undead feast (or inhale :p whatever) the soul's of warriors thus boosting their damage..?}
Dark Forcefield--Corpse-A-Pault(sorry if misspelt){Defense weapon, therefore it would rarely have to move and the slain soldiers of both sides are fired at the enemy...?}
Honestly, nokturnal, I expected more from you. No offense meant, but your ideas are as gruesome as they get, ummm...i dontknow how to say this, but your names dont carry a specific meaning as such, for example, rotting flesh and warrior souls. Both make perfect sense, just as a suggestion, please go back a few pages here and see how we debated back then. As I said, your ideas are gruesome and quite "undeadish", but we do want names that can potray the weapon as something capable of doing real damage, or in the other case, absorbing more real damage.

Dragon-slayer
13th May 2005, 10:00 AM
what about a spirit summoner instead of trident
or Night staff instead of bonemail
and finally a Numemor spellbook instead of Dark forcefield

master_prince
13th May 2005, 10:50 AM
hmm all nice but I think the list of weapons have already been decided tho..

Santa87
13th May 2005, 11:29 AM
I would like to come with a suggestion. Maybe you have already decided the weapons, but i would still like to come with the suggestion of Necromancers wand/staff. I mean there are no magic in the game atm, so why not make the best weapon of the undead an staff of magic(necromancy). It doesnt have to be able to do anything special other than killing the enemy, but it would seem more deadly than other weapons, because there is something about magic that seems more dangerous than physical power.

eth
14th May 2005, 02:41 AM
Okay, look people, I felt that the names that were decided already were a bit over-imaginative, but now I feel they are much more mature than the new ones. So, lets forget the weapons part, its not going anywhere, and please, as I said, those who have been a part of the golden area of the undead discussion are recommended to post here, as they know what kind of things we are talking of here, such as hot-nokturnal, master-prince, zap, meleemaster, king_arthur and others. 'm not against new members posting here, but since they dont know what has already been suggested, and its not possible to spend all of their time reading this huge thread, so its a serious request.

King_arthur1234
14th May 2005, 04:07 AM
Ethelorenas, I personally feel that we dont need to change the names. Because its really difficult to come up with new and good names. We had already done a lot of debate over this and could not find any better names than these. But if anyone does have any good names, then they are always welcome to suggest here. But you are right, after looking back again even i felt that some names were a bit over-imaginative. I dont think we need to change the bonus and the coat of arms could use a bit of improvement but its good the way it is right now. But its good that this thread has been opened again. It had fallen way behind when it was closed. The admins would not have been able to find it. And if they would not have been able to find it then all this debate would have proved useless. Anyway enough of that talk. I would like to say Hello to Everybody as i was inactive for a few weeks. But now i'm back in business.

eth
19th May 2005, 03:07 AM
Well, i searched google for "undead coat of arms" to get some hints. I didnt expect anything to come out, but this one's nice. Could be inmplemented as a bacground for the shield, like the dwarves have wood for the background, and omg. its gray!

http://www.area51b.freeserve.co.uk/images/dcoa.jpg

War-Bringer
20th May 2005, 07:18 AM
I think instead of getting enemy soldiers that die on the battlefield that the undead should instead get unit production upgrades. Like a 22% unit production bonus. So for every 100 a player gets...he would get 122 soldiers, i think i like that idea better but yours is also good. I've played other mmorpg with 8 races and undead was what i played as.

eth
20th May 2005, 10:27 AM
I think instead of getting enemy soldiers that die on the battlefield that the undead should instead get unit production upgrades. Like a 22% unit production bonus. So for every 100 a player gets...he would get 122 soldiers, i think i like that idea better but yours is also good. I've played other mmorpg with 8 races and undead was what i played as.Well, that is a non-foolish suggestion, but ive got some things to say about this.
First, this area is not open for suggestion. Second, a bonus in unit production is not a good bonus, as a good bonus should apply for players right from rank 1, to the last rank. Some players have unit production like 5 or something, so there would be a need to put in some more formulae, somenew bugs, in a nutshel, just not favourable.
------
All areas for suggestions are now and henceforth closed. Well, this is a request actually. What is open forsuggestion, or application though, is the undead shield. The one we have come up with is the combined effort of meleemaster and me (i just added some more blood, he's the real genius). To be frank, its really crude, so please, gear up those brains and please send up some promising ideas. I dont have very big hopes for this thread, but if we can at least impress the admins, I'd call it a success.

eth
23rd May 2005, 09:09 AM
I have crafted a new shield for the undead. I'll give you an explaination of it:
It has a gash that cuts through its metal. it is grey, as the colour is now official. The blood looks as if its spattered on the face of the shield, not as if the shield is bleeding, like it looked in the earlier versions of the shield. The base of this shield is also the elven shield, being the most easiest and most flexible to modify. It is definately better than the previous versions. I would like your responses on this one, and please particitpate in this. maybe the undead wont make it, but at least make a good job of it!

NoKtUrNaL
23rd May 2005, 11:59 AM
Nicely done, however the undead feel to it is still absent..perhaps the shield's outer rim could be bone?
Its evil enough and i know undead doesnt always=bones/skeletons
but death is related to bones :)

eth
24th May 2005, 02:07 AM
Nicely done, however the undead feel to it is still absent..perhaps the shield's outer rim could be bone?
Its evil enough and i know undead doesnt always=bones/skeletons
but death is related to bones :)I'll try, but i'm no graphics expert.

Akatsuki-
24th May 2005, 06:36 AM
Real cool idea !! MAKE 'M !! :D:D:D
But uhh.. make the Zweihänder just a Twohanded Sword (RS Style :P) :P LoL

eth
24th May 2005, 08:22 AM
Real cool idea !! MAKE 'M !! :D:D:D
But uhh.. make the Zweihänder just a Twohanded Sword (RS Style :P) :P LoLI know, i was searching for for swords when i stumbled upon it, but you gotta admit, it does sound cool and powerful.

Night_Elf
17th June 2005, 06:12 PM
Hi, im new and all for a new race, i think it will add an interesting twist to the current game.
You wanted names so apply them as you will
-Soulscar
-Deathrend
-Frostmourne
-Soulshock
-Winterwail
-Fleshscalp

As for the shield i dnt have neflash photoshop or nething but im pretty good at free hand which i can scan in, i have paint which i utilise well and i have a lot of patience for prefection. So if anyone would wish for me to give them a picture id be more than willing. - Night_Elf

eth
18th June 2005, 02:19 AM
Hi, im new and all for a new race, i think it will add an interesting twist to the current game.
You wanted names so apply them as you will
-Soulscar
-Deathrend
-Frostmourne
-Soulshock
-Winterwail
-Fleshscalp

As for the shield i dnt have neflash photoshop or nething but im pretty good at free hand which i can scan in, i have paint which i utilise well and i have a lot of patience for prefection. So if anyone would wish for me to give them a picture id be more than willing. - Night_Elf
If you are an artist and think you have the capacity to make a shield for us, we would be grateful. But just keep in mind that the basic structure of the shield is the same for all races, and the only difference being the colours. As for the weapons, we have finalised them. Thank you for your support, but all we need now is the shield, or we shall contunue with the current one. if you can make up a shield, well its good, very good.

Night_Elf
18th June 2005, 04:17 AM
i will work on a shield today in paint, does anyone know how to post it in here when i manage to do so? Also i dnt think people have said anything about this, i may be mistaken, but what colour are the borders for undead going to be? Dwarf is red, human is blue, Orc mossy green and elf is a more vibrant green. I believe someone said grey ? Is this comfirmed?

NoKtUrNaL
18th June 2005, 04:34 AM
Grey is the ideal colour and so far what has been created is this
http://www.giveupalready.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1006 (if that doesnt work then just go back a page and its added to one of ethelorenas(i can type that without having to check the spelling now :D) posts
I believe its a combination of the orc shield and a bit of blood spattered across it, quite nice but theres always rome for improvement..no-one seems to of wanted to help
Hey why didnt we ask static? he/she makes great sigs im sure they could have a crack at it

baiboe
18th June 2005, 05:02 AM
you guys have done some great work creating a new race.:yourock: i love the names for the weapons and the shield looks good too. i really hope the admins use this race in age 5

eth
18th June 2005, 10:32 AM
we cant say perfectly whether they shall look into this at all. What does count is that we faithfully submitted our idea. In fact, I wont be surprised if the admns dont even consider it at all.

Hydrofluoric-
18th June 2005, 10:43 AM
I like the idea of an undead race. You guy have certainly done your research. 4 races isnt enough after age 4. But unfortunately its up to the admins.

Night_Elf
18th June 2005, 12:28 PM
Ive just read through the whole topic and i feel ive made a mistake in my design notheless i shall post it, and if its undesireable then i will change it, please tell me anyway i can tweak to meet the demands of the undead. The mistake i have made is the colour, however i can easily rectifiy this. I would post my current designs but as it is i dont know how to upload them to this page. 0_O

Night_Elf
18th June 2005, 04:32 PM
I have finished a design for the shield of the undead, but dont know how to post it so you can view it. I tried to put it as an attachment but the file is too large. Also has anyone thought about what to write underneath the shield? When a player reaches the KOC home page, the races name, shield, and a brief text are displayed followed by 'join =-this race=- !'
Has anyone thought about the undead text?

I was thinking;
'Rise from the grave, and still the
fear of death into you opponents'

Its not perfect or good, anyone else have suggestions?

P.s. im not familiar with forum rules, sorry for double post.

BloodCalibur
18th June 2005, 05:24 PM
um, you cant use Frostmourne, thats copyrighted by Blizzard Entertainment, the creators of Warcraft....
second, it isnt just a general item name, its a specific name in Warcraft, so it doesnt make sense to use it.....

Night_Elf
18th June 2005, 06:16 PM
i thought about tht after i suggested it :( Ah well no item names needed. Blood calibur u play WC3?

BloodCalibur
18th June 2005, 06:22 PM
yes :p, but i stopped now i think, i only go back when i hear someone's good. since when were you playing? you should know who i am if youre a veteran RoC player :[
btw hows this for an Undead Shield

http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/BloodCalibur/images/UndeadShield.jpg

firewall01
18th June 2005, 06:59 PM
yes :p, but i stopped now i think, i only go back when i hear someone's good. since when were you playing? you should know who i am if youre a veteran RoC player :[
btw hows this for an Undead Shield

http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/BloodCalibur/images/UndeadShield.jpg

I think the shield looks good only thing is it looks more like glass cracking then a shield.

BloodCalibur
18th June 2005, 08:23 PM
aiight hows this then

http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/BloodCalibur/images/UndeadShield2.jpg

Krimson
18th June 2005, 09:03 PM
You guys do know that the gut who created this already has a shield made for the undead.

BloodCalibur
18th June 2005, 09:23 PM
where is it? link plz

NoKtUrNaL
19th June 2005, 12:55 AM
A shield was made but i believe a new shield is still an option
wait for ethelorenas :p i'm not uptodate

eth
19th June 2005, 02:00 AM
nokturnal, i did ask for a shield. I made one, yes, but I'm not some kind of graphics expert and I know that there are people out there who are just incredible with graphics. bloodcaliber, your second shield is good, and does look old and war-torn, good work. I spotted a few cons with it:
1) Its a bit too dark. If you can, try to add a bit of light to it, or if you use photoshop, give it a wash of white, with very high transperency.

2) The white cracks add the effect, but it looks more glass then metal. Some rust would remove this illusion.

I edited your shield a bit:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/sentinel_chyms/UndeadShield2m.jpg

This one was made by lukesalterego:
http://img291.echo.cx/img291/80/undeadshield0wc.jpg

Night_Elf
19th June 2005, 03:16 AM
wow those put my shields to shame. :(
I think the one Ethelorenas edited looks the best atm. But i think its a bit ott with the rust. Looks great tho.

wow those put my shields to shame. :(
I think the one Ethelorenas edited looks the best atm. But i think its a bit ott with the rust. Looks great tho.

meleemaster
19th June 2005, 03:32 AM
I edited your shield a bit:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/sentinel_chyms/UndeadShield2m.jpg

That looks good, but I think the hole/cracks should be moved a little to the top-left/top-right, it looks unnatural in the middle.

eth
19th June 2005, 08:52 AM
That looks good, but I think the hole/cracks should be moved a little to the top-left/top-right, it looks unnatural in the middle. As I said, I'm not much of an artist, and well thats the best I could do.

BloodCalibur
19th June 2005, 09:07 AM
alright i'll see wut i can do with my shield, imma redo the cracks so it doesnt look like glass cracks.

tho the reason why i made it dark and black dust/smoke in the original, is to give it a smokey/rising of the dead type of effect, like from the graveyard with the mists and everythin. but imma make a lighter version then

eth
19th June 2005, 09:56 AM
alright i'll see wut i can do with my shield, imma redo the cracks so it doesnt look like glass cracks.

tho the reason why i made it dark and black dust/smoke in the original, is to give it a smokey/rising of the dead type of effect, like from the graveyard with the mists and everythin. but imma make a lighter version then
Your idea is good about them rising and all, but think of the background of KoC when doing this, as it MUST NOT merge with the surroundings in any way. Thats why our shield is such a challenge.

Night_Elf
19th June 2005, 11:59 AM
can someone tell me how to post the shield cuz i dnt have a clue.

eth
19th June 2005, 12:06 PM
can someone tell me how to post the shield cuz i dnt have a clue.Just copy the link of the place where you have the pic and paste it here, or click on attach files in the advanced reply area, if you have the pic on your computer.

NoKtUrNaL
19th June 2005, 12:55 PM
just like to point out


View Poll Results: Should the Undead be the new race in Age 5?
Yes. They are quite good. 103 75.74%
No. They wont be that effective. 33 24.26%
Voters: 136. You have already voted on this poll

and

replies-----views
175-----3,557

DAmn i hope the admins see the activity of this idea!
about the shield, could there be a sort of foggy aura around it?

Akatsuki-
19th June 2005, 04:26 PM
Damn Right !! :D

eth
19th June 2005, 10:33 PM
about the shield, could there be a sort of foggy aura around it?Well, it isnt too hard to to create an aura, but none of the other shields have any kind of decoration as such, except the shield backgrounds, in fact they are extremely simple as to what weve managed so far. I agree that this 'aura' would add a great effect, but we need to merge this into the atmosphere, not make it stand out, extremely different from the others.

EDIT:
I was working on a shield with only rust as its speciality, and I came up with this:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/sentinel_chyms/undeadrust.jpg

Akatsuki-
20th June 2005, 12:32 AM
Hmm..... nice, but maybe a bit too simple..

King_arthur1234
20th June 2005, 01:37 AM
the shield with the rust is good but maybe there is too much rust on it, its almost looking brown. i think that the previous shield with the grey colour and some rust, blood and a crack on it was good enough, the second shield with the hole in the center and some moss on it was also good. i am really hoping that the admins should see this. this must be the best idea suggested upto now and the thread has also been great with many suggestions coming.

eth
20th June 2005, 03:19 AM
Hmm..... nice, but maybe a bit too simple..Just look at the other shields. Theyre even more simple than that. We cant make anything that can slow KoC down.

lukesalterego
20th June 2005, 05:55 AM
Every race has a different theme for the browser, for humans links are red and for elves they are green, the pictures are a dark yellow rot colour for orcs but blue for humans, what colours will this race have?

I mean a decaying colour would fit the bill but this would not be aesthetically pleasing, i know people that would pick a race just to have their commande center look nice.

So maybe a less fluorescent green than the elves have maybe with some yellow here and there for the things at top of tables, but the links colours could be, orange-brown maybe?

I dont really know and im not thinking about colours but i think this idea needs to be dicussed, because every detail has to be included.


***Race name***
***Weapons***
Shiled is getting there
***Bonus***
Maybe the colours could be gray now that i think of it, that would be purdy kool
and yeah



Is there ANYTHING else that needs to be considered?

eth
20th June 2005, 08:08 AM
Every race has a different theme for the browser, for humans links are red and for elves they are green, the pictures are a dark yellow rot colour for orcs but blue for humans, what colours will this race have?

I mean a decaying colour would fit the bill but this would not be aesthetically pleasing, i know people that would pick a race just to have their commande center look nice.

So maybe a less fluorescent green than the elves have maybe with some yellow here and there for the things at top of tables, but the links colours could be, orange-brown maybe?

I dont really know and im not thinking about colours but i think this idea needs to be dicussed, because every detail has to be included.


***Race name***
***Weapons***
Shiled is getting there
***Bonus***
Maybe the colours could be gray now that i think of it, that would be purdy kool
and yeah



Is there ANYTHING else that needs to be considered?This is how grey would look like:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/sentinel_chyms/undeadcolours.jpg

Gazza
20th June 2005, 10:29 AM
Thats a prety cool idea btw , altho i can see it bein a bit of an awkward formula to work out for the KOC admins :laughing: but a new race cant be bad :thumbsup:

pure~

torpedomalcolm
20th June 2005, 10:40 AM
cool i like the idea with the soldier gain

Jezuzz
20th June 2005, 10:59 AM
Ok but what must it mean:
Something like 5% of each stat or something?

eth
20th June 2005, 11:15 AM
Ok but what must it mean:
Something like 5% of each stat or something?Did you read the first page?

NERD_loserfreak
20th June 2005, 11:50 AM
hey i havent been on here in a long time and yall are really getting into this new race and i think the undead will be awesome and i think the weapons you came up with sound so evil :devil: its awesome

frozen_banana
20th June 2005, 02:37 PM
40% conversion factor. 40% of enemy casualties are converted into untrained soldiers.

Is it for attack and defense or only attack or only defense?

And then another question for me, you can say 1 orc and 2 orcs, but how with undead? 1 undead, 2 undeads? :confused:

NoKtUrNaL
20th June 2005, 10:26 PM
the enemies casualties is determined on who is fighting if you attack them its def troops that die isnt it
and other way round for bein attacked
Corpse
Corpses ;)

eth
20th June 2005, 10:51 PM
Is it for attack and defense or only attack or only defense?

And then another question for me, you can say 1 orc and 2 orcs, but how with undead? 1 undead, 2 undeads? :confused:Well, let me explain it again.
When you (as the undead) attack someone, their defece soldiers and/or any untrained die.
When someone attacks you, your defence and/or his/her attack soldiers and/or untrained soldiers die.

In the case where you attack, 40% of the soldiers that your army kills are converted into untrained soldiers.

In the case when someone attacks you, 40% of the soldiers of the attacking army (irrespective of who wins) get converted into untrained soldiers.

In the case where less than or equal to 6 soldiers die in both cases, 1 soldier is gained by you (except 1, where you gain 0). If 40% of the soldiers gained is not a whole number, then you gain the number of soldiers that is closest to the fraction of soldiers gained. Let me explain this with an example.

If the casualties of the enemy are 14, 40% of 14 equals 5.6.
Here, the decimal is 0.60. So it is more closer to 6 than to 5. Hence, then amount of soldiers gained will be 6.

If the casualties of the enemy are 11, 40% of 11 equals 4.4. Here, the decimal is 0.40. It is more closer to 4 than 5. Hence, the soldiers gained will be 4.

And 1 undead 2 undead, like 1 sheep, 2 sheep.

Night_Elf
21st June 2005, 03:02 AM
ok hopefully that worked and a shield should be attached.
i tried to take in everything people said. Its grey, but not dark. There are moderate amounts of rust around the centre and top right. I tried to create a war-torn effect with arrows, gash, and the chunk missing out of it. Can i have some feedback please and ill try to make it better.

I was thinking maybe slightly more rust, maybe some blood splatters as Ethelorenas suggested?

eth
21st June 2005, 08:46 AM
I think we should keep the shield we've made before. The other shields that we made are good, in fact, they are brilliant. But I think we're making them too complicated, since the other shields are way much simple. The only thing remaining is alerting the admins. I think there is a link in KoC through which we can contact them. I'll try and mail them about this. let them decide what to choose. Oh, and night_elf, the shield's great. Good job.

Lord_Niblet
21st June 2005, 09:05 AM
Yay undead!:)

Krimson
21st June 2005, 11:42 AM
Night Elfs shield is great its looks awesome.

Night_Elf
21st June 2005, 03:21 PM
thnx! I tried pretty hard on tht, i m really looking forward to seeing the undead next age. A lot of ppl have put in a lot of effort to do this, especially Ethelorenas.

Khan
22nd June 2005, 01:05 AM
In the case when someone attacks you, 40% of the soldiers of the attacking army (irrespective of who wins) get converted into untrained soldiers.

Ehm I hope you mean casualties.. otherwise it would be to beneficial.

After reading the full 20 pages, i'm not sure if it would work. Here's why:
Undead will always have a huge TFF, but not a high income. there are a lot of players who can hit them for nice pilliage. They need huge amounts of spare BPM's and IS's to keep up with their size.

just a thought.

eth
22nd June 2005, 04:14 AM
Ehm I hope you mean casualties.. otherwise it would be to beneficial.

After reading the full 20 pages, i'm not sure if it would work. Here's why:
Undead will always have a huge TFF, but not a high income. there are a lot of players who can hit them for nice pilliage. They need huge amounts of spare BPM's and IS's to keep up with their size.

just a thought.Yes, I agree that there are cons, I dont say no. Each race has to have a bad point that balances their good point. Take the humans for example. They get a 20% income bonus. Gold can get you to places in KoC, but you'll have to build up all of your stats without any boost. The Elves have a spy and sentry. This helps players who are playing as the elves to get a good covert rating, whereas no help with the other stats and they dont get much tbg if they concentrate on spy and sentry soldiers more. Dwarves and Orcs have similar cons. Thus, each race has its pros and cons. We are not bent on making a perfect, all powerful race, otherwise the undead will gain proportions more than the humans in the previous ages.

raptors892004
22nd June 2005, 11:03 AM
I think that if they have 5% more in every category, they would still not rank up with other races, because for example if another user has dwarves in his army, he can defend against the undead and therefore not allowing them to steal gold from him as well as preventing them from converting his casualties into untrained soldiers. The convertion of casualties is a pretty good idea, but it would not work in some cases as the one described above. They would also be pretty fair in other areas of the game such as defense, attack and spy (+sentry), because they only get 5% bonus. Questionable idea, which I dont know how many ppl will support..

eth
22nd June 2005, 11:16 AM
I think that if they have 5% more in every category, they would still not rank up with other races, because for example if another user has dwarves in his army, he can defend against the undead and therefore not allowing them to steal gold from him as well as preventing them from converting his casualties into untrained soldiers. The convertion of casualties is a pretty good idea, but it would not work in some cases as the one described above. They would also be pretty fair in other areas of the game such as defense, attack and spy (+sentry), because they only get 5% bonus. Questionable idea, which I dont know how many ppl will support.. If you play as the dwarves, it does not make you immune to attacks. It just porvides you a small boost to your defence. Ive attacked lots of players with dwarves till now and I defeated them, and I play as the elves.

Krimson
22nd June 2005, 11:34 AM
I think that if they have 5% more in every category, they would still not rank up with other races, because for example if another user has dwarves in his army, he can defend against the undead and therefore not allowing them to steal gold from him as well as preventing them from converting his casualties into untrained soldiers. The convertion of casualties is a pretty good idea, but it would not work in some cases as the one described above. They would also be pretty fair in other areas of the game such as defense, attack and spy (+sentry), because they only get 5% bonus. Questionable idea, which I dont know how many ppl will support..

Wow Raptors youve been here 1 day and i already dislike you you support stupid ideas like (diseases/ being able to choose your races bonuses) and when you post on an idea thats good you denounce it. You make me mad.

eth
22nd June 2005, 11:36 AM
Wow Raptors youve been here 1 day and i already dislike you you support stupid ideas like (diseases/ being able to choose your races bonuses) and when you post on an idea thats good you denounce it. You make me mad. Be careful there, bade, you really dont want to get warned for flaming.

raptors892004
22nd June 2005, 11:46 AM
I am just saying what I think about the ideas discussed here. If you have a different opinion, that is only up to you. Different people want different things and that is why there is a forum here, instead of the programmers thinking up new ideas and putting them in the game, without consulting some of the players. I feel that the ideas that I support would make the game more fair and fun to play, instead of it being mostly a 50 or 100 players game, because only those people have the capabilities of getting in the first page of ranks.

NoKtUrNaL
22nd June 2005, 01:23 PM
However you never read the reasons other people post in the other threads
you may have your opinion but its rather stupid to make a post when everything you say has been contradicted already is it not?
Getting to the first page of ranks is NEVER going to be able to be done by some kid on his own
this is an alliance game, hence the commander/officer scenario
quit trying to lower the tactic/skill/reputation needed to be good at this game simply because you are new(?)

This idea, unlike all the others has been discussed and as you can see from the poll, loved by many
Coming here and expressing your opinion is fine but your first post having NOTHING to do with the idea of undead is insulting

I think that if they have 5% more in every category, they would still not rank up with other races
Correct me if im wrong eth but isn't the bonus 40% re-incarnation bonus on the fallen soldiers?

another person said something about undead's being too large
well A) theres always training down :p
B) they would only grow large if they are attacked or attack much

Naturally you can't pick when your attacked but i hardly think undead armys will get "too large" unless people fail to use logic
It would also increase the amount of people in the top ranks living a bit more dangerously, 5x1ing here and there ;)
great to re-live the WAR aspect if you ask me

Hydrofluoric-
22nd June 2005, 01:30 PM
why are people putting the undead idea down. It has already been finalised and it will be a great new race if it is added to the next age. And i agree with HoT-NoKtUrNaL, it seems you want to make KOC too easy raptors892004. Dont you want to experience the joy after overcoming challenges. I know i do.

raptors892004
22nd June 2005, 02:32 PM
Well.. I want a good challenge too :)

NoKtUrNaL
22nd June 2005, 10:08 PM
No you want some mystical random event to make you #1
none of your ideas stay true to the KoC gameplay and all of them somehow will screw over a top player or benefit them too much but you fail to see this because your being ignorant

eatyournachos123
23rd June 2005, 12:26 AM
No you want some mystical random event to make you #1
none of your ideas stay true to the KoC gameplay and all of them somehow will screw over a top player or benefit them too much but you fail to see this because your being ignorant
your being ignorant and selfish, PM him, dont tell us we dont want to hear it. well, i dont.

Khan
23rd June 2005, 12:27 AM
another person said something about undead's being too large
well A) theres always training down

That was me Hot_NoKtUrNaL

With every other race you have some influence in how your army looks.
Undead with the "dead guys become mercs" bonus dont.
No way to train down mercs a.f.a.i.k.

But I'm beginning to see how the undead would make an addition to the game.

eth
23rd June 2005, 02:14 AM
Please people, do you all want to be warned fro flaming. All factors of the undead have been discussed and finalised. Stop flaming nokturnal, will you? From your posts,and their nature, I infer you are new to this game, and you are obviously new to this forum. The undead race needs nothing more. If you have any questions, then post there, otherwise, dont. We dont want this thread closed because there is no fruitful discussion on the topic at hand, and all you are doing is trying to fix things that are not broken. I believe I had specifically stated that it is recommended that those who have been an integral part of the construction process of the undead should post here, when the tread was reopened. All of the doubts you all have posted have been aready answered before. Please.....this is not fun and games, take time to read the rules and the stickys of tyrus, such as the one about how to critique a post and such. Please, I request you.

NoKtUrNaL
23rd June 2005, 04:44 AM
your being ignorant and selfish, PM him, dont tell us we dont want to hear it. well, i dont.
If i PM him i'll get warned for flaming :p i can contain myself through forums...hence the no warning yet

Dead guys do NOT become mercs...where'd you get that idea?
they become UNTRAINED soldiers....hence why mercs were never even mentioned in the game :P

Think of it like this
your an undead player, your TBG is crap you dont want to click for a week so instead you find a big army you can beat, and if he/she has alot of untrained or defense specalists then you will get A) gold B) soldiers which = GOLD
How do you fail to see the benefits of this? it encourages people to attack, mass people (if ya get heaps of men whynot hit them again ;) )
Its a war game, they would help wage war....please re-read the first post to get a clearer understanding

Night_Elf
23rd June 2005, 03:58 PM
the more i re-read these posts the clearer is seems to me how more dynamic the undead will make this game. If they are included i for one will select them. Anyone else?

Krimson
23rd June 2005, 07:12 PM
the more i re-read these posts the clearer is seems to me how more dynamic the undead will make this game. If they are included i for one will select them. Anyone else?

either them or humans... but doesn't the whole idea of the conversion factor sorta eliminate the humans bonus.

Sax dude
23rd June 2005, 08:10 PM
Why would a person want an undead account? It makes no sense! THe undead. What will the accounts army not die?

eth
23rd June 2005, 09:55 PM
Why would a person want an undead account? It makes no sense! THe undead. What will the accounts army not die? Its not compulsary to have an undead account. Your army does die. Of course it dies. The enemy soldiers that die, a percentage of them get converted into your soldiers.


either them or humans... but doesn't the whole idea of the conversion factor sorta eliminate the humans bonus. How can it eliminate the human bonus? For the undead, we get more soldiers, whose number is uncertain, depending on the number of soldiers that die. Yes, we do get a bit more TBG, but that can in no way beat the human bonus, since they directly get more income. It gets close, but it doesnt eliminate.

Night_Elf
24th June 2005, 03:59 AM
Your right bade, i suppose its the same idea, but the long way round. undead get more men from attacking and killing, which means more men = more gold, whereas the humans just get more gold per solider.
An undead army would 'die' (is tht possible?), whichever, they will lose men. For example if they go into a battle and lose 100 men, only 40 are revived. This means a loss of 60 men. Of course you need to throw in the oppositions state aswell.

lukesalterego
24th June 2005, 06:11 AM
what about this - the fact that all races have a certain colour theme for their command center and all the links on the battlefiled and such

What would the undeads be?

Grey Links and The top of tables could be ....... lour?

any suggestions


cos we need to make sure that EVERY DETAIL has been discussed, leaving nothing for the admins to think of themselves.....the less time and effort put into creating a new race the better i suppose, cos noone wants a big gap between ages

so yeah, we have to have EVERYTHING for the undead as the other reaces have

eth
24th June 2005, 07:31 AM
Luke, bade has come up with an open and serious flaw with our bonus. I agree that the colours are our priority as well, but we need to figure this out first, or both of them simultaneously.

Lord_Niblet
24th June 2005, 08:15 AM
how bought , becouse of the amount of soldiers the undead would have, they make less gold per unit

Sax dude
24th June 2005, 08:28 AM
THe races hate eachother. What will the siege weapons be?

Night_Elf
24th June 2005, 09:12 AM
siege and fort will be the same as the other races i assume. Ethelorenas hasn't mentioned it, and it would go in keeping with the current pattern. If you mean weapons see the first page. I thought that greyt had been decided on as the undead colour?

eth
24th June 2005, 11:27 AM
THe races hate each other. What will the siege weapons be?the siege and fortifications remain constant for any race. As such, they need no amendment.


how bought , becouse of the amount of soldiers the undead would have, they make less gold per unitHow would you formulate this?

Krimson
24th June 2005, 11:42 AM
If your going to work with that bonus why not make it 25% or something conversion factor that might make it more balanced

eth
24th June 2005, 11:52 AM
If your going to work with that bonus why not make it 25% or something conversion factor that might make it more balancedWe did consider that. After some discussion we decided that though it seemed appropriate from the outside, from the inside, there arose quite some problems, we had discussed it soewhere, but its hard to find since the thread has become so big. So, we changed it to 40%

blanko
25th June 2005, 10:04 PM
40% yeah it seems reasonable now but when it happens, all the undead will mass the big guys. so on someones first day they 5x1 the top few people and suddenly they have an army of thousands. since LS, Denny, etc have armies of millions, they will lose a lot. yeah this can help beginners a lot i see to make the game more blanaced for newcomers but people can be veterans with trained down armies that can 5x1 the top guys everyday. that means unlimited mercs and essentially, invincible armies which you wanted to avoid. I suggest the undead only get 40% of casualties brought back to them if they are victorious. this also makes more sense because a defeated army cannot stroll back to the battlefield and collect enemy corpses without opposition and the better you get, the more soldiers you may get when you win. if you collected mercs when you lost, the bonus would be worse and worse for the larger army because it will be a smaller and smaller percentage of soldiers you could be replacing. however, this bonus would still be effective because I have a trained down army and when i attack, the enemy can lose a ton of guys when i lose 0. i hope this helps, this is my first GUA post and I only responded because I haven't seen anyone catch this flaw, they were scrutinizing over weapon names and such which can be important but useless without a perfected race bonus figured out. hope this helps!

eth
25th June 2005, 10:14 PM
You do have a point, but I dont think anything like this can be formulated. This is not just for the beginners, it is useful for those who like to amass a large army for themselves. I dont know how it can be possible to formulate a bonus for onlywhen you win. Whatever happens, but if that can happen, it may overcome the flaw. But have you considered, then when someone attacks you, gets victorious, and loses some of his soldiers, they are converted into your soldiers, since the bodies just lay there. This is also applicable for when you attack, since in real battles, they did not carry the bodies away.

blanko
25th June 2005, 10:27 PM
Yeah my idea has bugs. I don't know how to program a game but i thought they'd be able to have it so only when you win you raise the dead because they have the different endings. Maybe it's possible, I'm not sure. After you attack and win, they would 'raise the dead' and they wouldnt carry corpses home, but the mercs could walk back to camp after being revived. (not important but maybe explanation of only 40% recovered is because some bodies are too destroyed ie exploded, missing limbs, etc and the 40% of bodies that weren't dismembered are brought back to life). and i don't know about the being attacked + losing scenario. maybe the enemy burns the field before they leave? haha. these ideas are just popping up now. but you don't control the armies that attack you, so that part couldn't be taken advantage of if you got 40% of victorious attacker's corpses. maybe you should get 40% of enemies deaths EXCEPT when you attack and lose. again, i'm not a programmer so i don't know how this would be done but i believe it can be if KoC programmers have already done this much.

sharky123
27th June 2005, 02:20 PM
i like the idea of when an enemy say losses 10 men you gain 5 so you gain half of their men as untriand soilders.

Also i think they should have cheaper fortifications and a sentry bonus or 25% everything else seems to have ceen said

sharky123

Krimson
27th June 2005, 08:26 PM
i like the idea of when an enemy say losses 10 men you gain 5 so you gain half of their men as untriand soilders.

Also i think they should have cheaper fortifications and a sentry bonus or 25% everything else seems to have ceen said

sharky123

First sentry is included with the elves bonus.
2nd cheaper forts would accel a race to fast.
The conversion factor is a great and well thought out bonus.

frozen_banana
28th June 2005, 07:28 AM
What about this: You only get soldiers when you attack with 15 turns? Then people don't mass the great armies for there own army (I hope).
Also, this people would be stronger against mass attacks, cause they get some soldiers of the others.

demon117
28th June 2005, 08:10 AM
i liked the idea of only getting 40 % back of your own dead soliders, and only when you when the battle.

Night_Elf
28th June 2005, 04:14 PM
Ethelorenas has this been presented to the admins yet?

eth
28th June 2005, 09:49 PM
I believe they check the throne room material at the end of the age, well, at least they did this last time I think.

Night_Elf
29th June 2005, 02:18 AM
maybe u could give them something visual to relate to, like take a screen shot of the home page where all the other shields are then add the undead shield to it, add the lil piece of text and the 'join here box'. Or take a screen shot of an armoury and change it to undead. I can work on it if you think it will be useful.

eth
29th June 2005, 02:34 AM
Its got some gravity, and will require a lot of time. I will try when I get the time to all that.

Clowpower
29th June 2005, 04:30 AM
Logical race bonus should be something like 25% resurrection on all lost soldiers.
Im really interrest of the Undead new race. maybe i suggest that they could have resurrection cuz they are like Zombies , they dont get killed all. Anyway , my personnel suggest is The Undead have the bonus of 15 % of the enemy flee in battle. lol. Im really sure that the admins well check it lots on it. :spin1:

NERD_loserfreak
29th June 2005, 10:23 AM
Anyway , my personnel suggest is The Undead have the bonus of 15 % of the enemy flee in battle. lol. Im really sure that the admins well check it lots on it. :spin1:

dude i dont think there need to be anything more added to it. i think they have everything figured out about the undead, he is just waitting to contact the admins.....


Ethelorenas- look at what you started....you come up with this great idea and all this other stupid crackers get on here trying to do the same thing..and there ideas suck lol...like angles...that had like nothing to do with koc and then :ninja: ninjas lol.....o well this idea was awesome we just need to get aproved by the admins...so i guess we just wait from here :sleep:

Night_Elf
30th June 2005, 08:32 AM
has anyone else noticed the naming problems of the defensive weapons?
All the other races have the same names for their defence weapons except the 50,000 weapon. Not that the names are bad, but Ethelorenas said to keep in line with the example set by other races. For the moment the screen shot contains the weapon names that stay in pattern with other races. But the other names can easily be inserted.

Hopefully with this post there should be the top half of a 'Undead Armoury Screenshot' to woo the admins.

Sorry for the double post but it wouldnt all fit in one post. This is the bottom half of the armoury and with a little imagination, or possibly coping and pasting into paint, one can see them together. Sorry for double post.

eth
30th June 2005, 11:16 AM
You've taken this quite seriously, Night_Elf I appreciate that. About the screenshot, its ok, understandable. This may be how the armoury would look. The grey would be transparent actually, but since you've done it in paint, it can be overlooked. I'll add this to the first post, with some amendments, like putting the two screens together and trying to make the grey transparent, when I get the time. Oh, and please try not not to mention my name so often, its a bit embarrasing, and I dont mean any offense.

WorldRulerNvD
30th June 2005, 12:36 PM
The one problem I can forseee with this is a potential lack of usefulness for novice players.

In conflicts with only a few hundred men per side, casualties are rare, and the race undead would offer nobenefits to players who didn't have the capacity to build a larger army. Just a thought.

Night_Elf
1st July 2005, 04:23 AM
Thnx, i just want to the undead to succeed, and every little bit can help change the admins mind, its always good to have something to relate with, im working on another atm, should be ready by this evening (england time)

Added: screen shot of a possible undead attack. I just made the wording up, ne better suggestios are welcomed. On paint again, it went blurry for some reason sorry.

Bloodthirsty
2nd July 2005, 12:55 PM
I particularly like the bonus
i mean getting even a small pecent of enemy soldiers killed in battle has to be one of the best stat gain ideas ever. It would be a great long term investment. Im sure the undead will be in age 5 and probably everybody else is too.

Krimson
2nd July 2005, 12:57 PM
Night elf you never fail with those screenshots.
Good Work

Hydrofluoric-
2nd July 2005, 01:00 PM
Nice work night elf, this will get the admins' attention.

Bloodthirsty
2nd July 2005, 01:25 PM
I just saw the screenshot GReat Work. Thats COOL!

Night_Elf
2nd July 2005, 04:32 PM
lol dnt ull make me blush, thnx guys, i got one more tht im working on atm, should b ready 2morrow. Just something visual give ppl to relate to. Someone should do this into an email, lay it out all proper. Or make a website n send the admins to it.

Bloodthirsty
2nd July 2005, 04:49 PM
well i cant do an email because of a parasite that ate my internet (im using internet explorer) and checking mail on a google site... and my email stuff got eaten.

eth
2nd July 2005, 11:45 PM
Nice screenshot, but how did 4 soldiers rise from the grave? Shouldnt it be 2? 40% of 6 is 2.4.

Night_Elf
3rd July 2005, 04:16 AM
ok im stupid sorry, i thought it was 40% of total killed, ill change it make sure its right.